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When fists fly.
Or bullets

This really isn't so much a complaint, as a question I suppose.  I recently decided to test my luck against some individuals (yes, had a good reason for it).  And in this fight, I found out that it became impossible to flee.  I kept getting this message: 'You'll need to take a moment to pace yourself before doing that, give it a second and try again.'

Now, I'm used to not being able to use many commands that require a 'waiting period' in tandem.  But it seems to me that this is new, and certainly doesn't go away after a couple of seconds.  It occurred after I grappled someone, at which point, I could no longer use any 'time consuming' actions.  Such as attempting to re-grapple or flee.

I'm just wondering if this flee cancel is intentional or if perhaps the code is currently being tweaked in some way.

Thanks :)

Has always been like this.

Eh, not quite Xee..


This seems to be an actual bug.

Case in point...:
My Character had a run in with another character today, with a little intervention, the other char was held up and I was able to 'flee'...

No big deal...

Fast forward a half hour or so, and I'm roaming through the dog infested park. I used the search feature a few times, once a little too soon, and then waited and used it again. fifteen minutes later, i'm trying to 'sneak' past a wild dog. It sees me and attacks.  I change my posture and lose a round of combat. no big deal. However, now, I can no longer flee. At all. It would be one thing if attempted to flee and didn't make it, but it tells me that I need to wait a minute and try it again. When I haven't tried to flee in almost an hour. Not only that, but the only combat related command I had used was the posture. No disarms, no grapples, no commands that are limited by time usage. Except for 45 minutes earlier when I fleed once.

So, yeah, it has always been limited so you can't just hit flee over and over and over again in rapid succession hoping for a successful roll; BUT now it seems if you use it once at all, you can never use it again that day.

I'm calling BUG on this one. Please fix?
kthxbye.

Yeah, I had a similar buggy experience in the park as Damarung, and I died as a result of not being able to move or run or do anything. It just seemed more like a bug to me.

Is this going to be addressed? or can we all expect to not be able to flee /at all/ in a fight?

I see the answer is NO.

This has not been addressed yet, and as a result my character died a THIRD time due to this bug.

The only time-restricted commands I have used today were "frisk" and "pick" on a sleeper. Over an hour later, I was attacked by two dogs in the park and could not flee. They were not blocked attempts, rather they were time-restricted denies, I.E., THEY DON'T WORK!

Flee attempts keep telling me to try again in a moment, I can't do that right now. The standard "you used it too close to doing something else that is time-restricted" reply. Well guess what, that's not right, unless the time-restriction is somewhere along the lines of once a day now.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THIS!

(I would like to request either Wren, Johnny, Saedan, or Slither look at it as Jinx believes it's the way it's always been.)

Honestly, I don't mind dieing for the sake of RP. Really, I don't. I'm used to it. But for a rabid fucking dog to attack me, with his buddy, and flee to be broken really pisses me off.
/rant.
/sigh.

@vb 2768
@vb 2777
@vb 2811

All unfixed bugs.
All cause death to characters.
All have been documented by multiple players.

I move that all unprovoked combat be shut off until flee is fixed, along with the dog issue of wild/pet dogs attacking. This should include rats, cats, and other wild animals.

I've had the no flee problem as well. And on that occasion I'd done NOTHING time related all day.

I was getting my ass handed to me by NPCs and when letting the admins know there was a bug preventing me from doing anything, they said that usually you get your ass handed to you when being attacked by three NPCs.

So, I think that since quite a number of players have said there is obviously a problem it should be looked at by SOMEONE. No, this problem is not constant as I've flee'd in the past few weeks. But.

Something
Is
Wrong

And we'd like to know what it is so that we can quit having these irreversible RP killing effects.

Is that really to much to ask??

Edit: Oh, and mine was NOT in the park, so it is not just the park. Player be warned.

(Edited by Lillith at 9:02 am on June 28, 2008)

Hah, made us bring out the big guns admin, got tha Jack-O pissed.

You guys really bitch a lot on this board for never having said anything to me actually in the game besides bugs.

Kinda pissed off to be honest. Feel like we've been called out on the boards and I didn't even fucking know there was a problem here. Grow some balls and use xhelp for what its there for; instead of using it to just bitch or complain about another character.

EDIT: I tried to recreate the problem and was unable to repeatedly. Most likely it's a bug that existed in another form and was fixed. Will look into it; if you get into the problem... 'stop attacking' seems to fix it on most occasions. If you get into the problem and are not in a life threatening situation, use xhelp so I can look at you.

Yah, so I wanted to look into this for y'all but can't because of my gimp status... so I poked Wren for y'all instead.

He's grumpy in the mornings, eh?

Quote: from Wren on 3:54 pm on June 29, 2008[br]You guys really bitch a lot on this board for never having said anything to me actually in the game besides bugs.

That is primarily due to it being the bitch board.  And I suppose most of us were under the impression it was somewhere administrators dared to rear their grumpy heads.  Can I have that mouth sized piece of my ass back now?  I hafta work...

I did say something on Xhelp Wren. I was arguing with Jinx about it while you were on and then you came in and asked what was up, so I told you.

Quote: from Wren on 3:54 pm on June 29, 2008[br]You guys really bitch a lot on this board for never having said anything to me actually in the game besides bugs. [/i]

Here's the problem with that for myself personally: The last bug (before this one) I submitted is still open, unresolved, and affected another player recently. I xhelped about that one, and my personal situation was remedied, that one time. After I xhelped, I @bugged it. Tis still there.

The other problem, for me personally, is that I'm not always on when there is an active admin presence. I sat in limbo for a couple of hours the other day when the inability to flee affected my character in a negative way. SO, since no admin were active (I tried, by xhelping every 5 minutes or so.), I resorted to the bitch[/b] board, in the Game Problems and Complaints section. Seems like a logical place to post a problem and complaint about the game IMHO. *shrugs*

Quote: from Wren on 3:54 pm on June 29, 2008[br]
Kinda pissed off to be honest. Feel like we've been called out on the boards and I didn't even fucking know there was a problem here. Grow some balls and use xhelp for what its there for; instead of using it to just bitch or complain about another character.
[/i]

Well, I'm sorry you got pissed off. You've been super helpful since your return Wren, and we (or atleast I) appreciate it. However, another coder-type-admin guy already stated his opinion on the matter and hadn't done anything about it. So yes, you (as a collective group of game administrators) were called out and should feel like you were called out. �As far as being pissed off goes, I can only say two things:
1) Don't take it so personally. I'm an equal opportunity bitcher.
2) How do you think I felt after dieing a third time (or was it second?) since this thread was started? Talk about being steamed.

Quote: from Wren on 3:54 pm on June 29, 2008[br]
EDIT: I tried to recreate the problem and was unable to repeatedly. Most likely it's a bug that existed in another form and was fixed. Will look into it; if you get into the problem... 'stop attacking' seems to fix it on most occasions. If you get into the problem and are not in a life threatening situation, use xhelp so I can look at you.
[/i]

Thank you for looking into it. I am going to assume that you mean to do the following:
A npc/dog/rat/cat attacks you.
flee
(denied bug)
stop attacking
(get beat up by npc who won't stop b/c you did)
flee?

And see if that remedies it? �I'll make sure I give that a go next time. The only thing I would like to point out about they way you would like us to use xhelp here is, since the animals attack to kill, and stopping the attack is just going to kill the player faster, and may or may not allow a flee, there's not a real way to 'pause' the action and by the time you get to look at our props, we'll most likely be in the tunnel... But hey, you work with us to help us, we'll work with you (or try to anyway.)

Again, I didn't mean to piss you off. I apologize. But I did intend to call this more attention. And the last time I asked nicely, didn't do a whole lot of good.

Thank you for your help.

Tool

(Edited by Tool at 7:06 pm on June 30, 2008)