All tied up!
Ye feckin' sod get'es zippie off'me rookers!

The very core and purpose of this idea is to provide alternatives to sleep kills and I think it accomplishes that quite well.

Zip ties can be used to bind an incapacitated enemy.

A gag can be used to to block them from speaking.

Together these two things would enable the infilitrators or kidnappers to subdue their target enough to lock them in a secure location preferrably without SIC until both of them can be online at the same time so they can commence with their RP.

Whether it be a beating, mouthing off, torture whatever it is you'll have the opportunity to add substance to what you're trying to accomplish..

Now it was brought up that what happens if the person who's been captured does not log in for several days? Or what if you've put a good effort in trying to log in during the times they usually play but keep missing them?

I do believe that GM judgement for sleep kills would be best saved for these situations where a strong effort has been made to see RP come from this and if it goes on for too long and becomes just a waiting game I would support wholeheartedly a GM making a live or die decision on the matter because the player has done everything in their power to bring RP to the the other player.

And giving options and alternatives to both the GMs and the players is always a positive thing I think.

Thoughts?

Thanks for reading.

but if they're allready asleep why not slap some magna cuffs on em and drag em to the sewers. There are spots down there.

Not knockin your idea's just sayin there are probably more important things to code since there are tools in place to handle this allready. Not sleep killing and dragging someone off to rp with later is really up to you.

I don't think you totally got what I was saying..

If the sleeper doesn't wake up over a long period of time then the GM's should come in and render a decision on a sleepkill.

And if you lock someone up and both players on are at the same time you SHOULD be trying to RP with them since you're the one keeping them isolated. If the Gms notice you're just keeping them away from RP then they should either be  finished off or let go considering you'd be abusing it.

GM discretion still plays a part here and it shouldn't be a problem if everyone doesn't act like a big jerk and try to ruin the game experience.

The stuff you mentioned are really extremes that I cannot see happening too often especially with GM oversight on these situations.

Also who's to say the kidnapped person doesn't attempt to break the ziptie until you're NOT around and then they can try to kick down a door and break out.

That would create a lot of RP.

The key here is not to make zipties near as invulnerable as hand cuffs. You've got to provide a degree of probability that keeps it competitive.

What your suggesting is alot more breaking into player's sleeping residence.  That's something I'm not too keen on.

I shall also mention that years and years ago, back when I was a spritely noob, my character killed sleepers almost on principle simply because that made it far, far easier to take any chyen they might have, and basically did away with the entire pickpocketing system in favour of "take pile of chyen".

Nowadays I know better than to do that kind of thing. Perhaps, though, one way to combat sleep-killing would be to incorporate the pickpocket code to accomodate corpses. Some players, particularly new ones, won't understand which code is okay to use and which code is incomplete, nor the connotations of murdering someone's hard-earned character in its sleep. It's cyberpunk, after all.

And what else... oh yes, the pickpocketing code pisses me off. By the time I've managed to wrest my hands from my sleeping victim's pockets I'm halfway down the street.

Just wanna say somethin about the fuzzy cuffs.
Yeah, you totally know I've used them before....*cough*
Thing is, even the wearer can unlatch them and walk away from an incedent.  May need to be changed up a bit.