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Before I put this out there, it isn't for any particular person that I thought this up for.  Its just one of those things I think would be cool.

More judge activity.  And not only when something goes down and someone happens to call 911 or the admin snag a puppet and 'investigate' a murder/robbery/beating.  What I mean is, random raids.  Perhaps an admin hops on a judge for this, and just swoops into say, the Drome.  He and his 5 judge pals bag and tag anyone there.  Fugitives can hear them coming, so of course, running is a choice option, but say your caught?  Say you didn't do anything at all and get knocked on your ass by a flashbang/sonic?  And rather than come to and look at everyone in the room like "Holy shit did you see that?  Where did it come from?"  There's the chrome, staring down at you with an Enforcer to your head.  You might think they're there for you, maybe they are, maybe they're not.  Everyone gets locked up, people that broke the law get fined.  Big bad folk get popped in the head.  Bounties die with them.  First come first serve right?

On a sort-of side note:
I'm thinking alot of the gritty here, can't all come from the players.  We got the gritty.  Some have more than others yeah, but we got it in spades regardless.  Its just misplaced and self-serving.  I think something of issue is the lack of faction movement.  Admin depending on just one npc or player to move mountains...get the WJF (worked for), the gangers (killed with hardly a second thought, no retaliation, meh), the yakuza (made deals with...meh), the mafia (chased endlessly, meh), the triads (more deals, more meh)...lets get the -world- rotating.  All those meh up there, signify pointless endeavors that neither made my situation better OR worse, by all accounts those grim and potent allies made NO difference whatsoever in ANY capacity.  It was pointless, always has felt that way...hence why none utilize the world anymore.  Its all so blunt...that's a good way to describe it I think...the rp is just blunt.

Players follow the flow.  And lets face it, its grown extremely stagnant.  WJF should be making you intimate with scanners and guns.  See someone who doesn't look like they belong in Mix or on Gold...segregate them bitches.  Fine, judge, rob, brutalize, kneecap.  But of course, my fluffyness says leave them alive.  So they have a story, or an emotion they can fulfill.

I do support more judge activity in the mix, but I don't think the tempo should be stepped up drastically due to it being akin to coalition forces in helmand province (The only one that everyone openly admits to having no control over whatsoever)

What I suggest is stepping Terra up. Maybe have joe super NPC agent who has a hard on for beating up people that break the law with his merry band of mixer baton wielding agents. And give them some limited powers.

But none of this will happen soon becuase of inactivity GM-side. (No fualt to any of them or anything just never see them on)

They should litterally name the guy Joe now :D

I think it would promote RP to see more usage of TERRA, if for no other reason than their not as threatening as a judge.  Not so much of a fight or flight response when being addressed by an agent as a judge.

The Judges don't want to come down to the Mix.  They aren't paid for it.  TERRA is.  The Judges just respond and pick people up at TERRA HQ who have been arrested, and come down to the Mix when it's NEEDED.

I agree that faction movement is important, but it requires players.  There are currently no active player judges or terra agents.

No one reports crimes to TERRA, rarely are crimes reported to the Judges.  No one even tries to set people up to go down for shit they didn't do.

TERRA is not a police force, they are a security force.  Glorified mall cops that don't try to stop crimes before they happen, they just respond to crimes.  If no one calls them, they have nothing to respond too.

Nobody calls the judges because when you try to report a crime to the judges guess what?    They don't give a single solitary fuck!   It's been like that for many many many many years.   Unless your in a situation where your being interrogated, or someone is actively causing huge trouble right now,  I've literally never seen a unsolicited tip given to a judge or ops result in any judges doing anything about it.  That's why noone does it, cause nothing ever comes of it.  

And very recent RP has involved judges coming to RED.   TERRA did nothing, judges just started showing up on RED.  I'm not complaining, or saying I didn't have fun cause it was hella fun.  

All I'm saying is as far as all this goes Slither.   You can talk about what should happen all day long, but that doesn't mean that that's what really happens.  We have to make it true.

yeah, I can go and gun down a bus full of special ed kids infront of Terra and they just twirl their batons and strut off.

In the past I've reported a number of crimes to WJF-Ops and 911. With GM's on. I actually made a point of it. NOTHING happens with it.

On a further ontopic note I want to add that an Active player judge is not the only thing required to stepup on Judge activity.

For anyone that's been a judge in the past or discussed with the Admin how the WJF works or seen it for themselves, you know that you cannot go strolling into Red anymore without GMs present to support you, you will get bitchslapped by the admin otherwise.

Ontop of needing more GMs to become reinvigored and dedicate their freetime to SD, you need players to have a working knowledge of how to pursue becoming a Judge.

The only good way I can see becoming a Judge is from a fresh player who's got a clean record and is aware of the possibility of becoming one of the oppressive law enforcement officers that wield the most powerful firearms and overall effective armor in the game.

How many new players can you name have the knowledge or desire to dedicate time to trying to interact with NPCs for resume's/interviews/approval to do anything significant short of patrolling gold and talkig smack on the SIC?

If you want more judge activity maybe some of the vets should consider instead of moving onto that 4th or 5th name change, you should plan yourself a good perming and pursue the WJF career on your next char?

It was going smoothly for me and alls I did was tailor a history and learn ICly about job opportunities.

Plot development has to stem from player actions, or count on player reactions. With the lack of variety amongst the power figures currently in the player base, everything pretty much revolves around the will of a couple players with everyone developing their own stances on that singular player driven plot.

It might be too intrusive for the GMs to alter it drastically other than to provide requested support from NPCS the players try to contact for assistance or equipment.

I know for a fact everyone is aware of how the loyalties always split down with characters being played by specific players.

Perhaps a better attempt at mixing up the mix should be made on the player level before the GMs dedicate their time to developing more complex NPC relationships that could turn out to just be the same ole same ole for people who're under a different identity without actually changing who they interact with?

I don't know, just a thought. There are a lot of ways to make SD more exciting and a lot of it can be achieved through players sacraficing their years of UE for more imaginative approachs.

That's why the lucrative end of Sindome Beta would be such a positive move, level the playing field, reform NPC relationships, rework the factions.

No active Judge or TERRA PCs? Sounds to me like a power vacuum that can be filled by people pushing IC. GMs - hope you're ready to recieve pushes and applications, and to puppet the necessary NPCs.

Slither - No one reports crimes to TERRA, rarely are crimes reported to the Judges.  No one even tries to set people up to go down for shit they didn't do.

TERRA is not a police force, they are a security force.  Glorified mall cops that don't try to stop crimes before they happen, they just respond to crimes.  If no one calls them, they have nothing to respond too.

I'm not sure how you are supposed to report crimes to TERRA. I've seen WJF-OPS used successfully a few times, but it has always been in response to crimes committed on GOLD, and usually works best when a recognized corporate character is the one asking/threatened. Name dropping. Plus a GM has to be around.

Hmm - what if we used the chex taxi code for 911? There would have to be restrictions, but you could have TERRA agents respond to calls placed with RED locations in the syntax, and Judges respond to anything else. Maybe more people respond if the name dropped is someone on the WJF wanted list? This could take some testing. Just an idea.

At a minimum, can I recommend that there is WJF-OPS and the TERRA equivalent always on the SIC? TERRA would be in a SIC-amplified area so they wouldn't be as prone to outages. This could work kind of like xhelp, in that it would go directly to the GMs online.

Cyberscot - The only good way I can see becoming a Judge is from a fresh player who's got a clean record and is aware of the possibility of becoming one of the oppressive law enforcement officers that wield the most powerful firearms and overall effective armor in the game.

How many new players can you name have the knowledge or desire to dedicate time to trying to interact with NPCs for resume's/interviews/approval to do anything significant short of patrolling gold and talkig smack on the SIC?

Part of the problem is finding characters that are suitable for hiring by these agencies. If you know one IC, maybe you should prompt them to apply.

I'd like the GMs to consider the option of having experienced characters apply successfully - or be recruited for - WJF roles. I think this has kinda happened before, under the guise of mind control. Sure, these characters come with more baggage and personal motives than a new character, but that's not always a bad thing.


Cyberscot - The only good way I can see becoming a Judge is from a fresh player who's got a clean record and is aware of the possibility of becoming one of the oppressive law enforcement officers that wield the most powerful firearms and overall effective armor in the game.

How many new players can you name have the knowledge or desire to dedicate time to trying to interact with NPCs for resume's/interviews/approval to do anything significant short of patrolling gold and talkig smack on the SIC?

Part of the problem is finding characters that are suitable for hiring by these agencies. If you know one IC, maybe you should prompt them to apply.

Yes, I could do that, but as soon as I did someone would point out OH GROK SAID HE WOULD DO THAT IF HE WERE TO SNEAK BACK IN.

A lot of things could be done if people put their minds to getting it accomplished, but the current population is mostly mixer with the odd corpie amongst a couple dedicated corpies. Total opposite of a few months ago.

Typically, the mixer's want more action on Red, and the corpies want more plottage on Gold, The corpies aren't normally going to want to become Judges and mix it up in combat with the mixers.

The mixers also normally want to be on the bad side of the law to fulfil the CP anti-hero role they invisioned.

Forcing people to do one thing or another that goes against their vision for their char isn't likely to produce very good results, but of course it all depends on the player.

Considering who started this topic I also feel like this is more nostalgia for a former judge who is remembering all the havoc he caused, and wanted to see someone recreate something similiar.

Player judge activity is too dependant on GM activity and just by reading posts in this thread, quite a few people seem to have similiar opinions on the availability of GMs.

I think more MOO activity might be better served in the form of Prophet Anor style plots that involve planned out Judge activites and reactions. Plots that effect a sweeping amount of players which can involve themselves in myriad of ways to affect the outcome.

You don't nessacarily need the Judges or the factions to become like living, breathing realistically active organizations, you just need Slither to have free-time and become inspired again.

I'm currently writing a plot or two for Slither to read and take into consideration as inspiration for his own plots, because that's what I enjoy doing, content creation.

I've been a judge. Three times. Burnt out on it becuase the game suddenly shifts to where you have to act like a fucking CSI cop and have a myraid of evidence to convict someone of pissing on the side of the road as opposed to NPC Judges who will just come along and pop you. Yes, it gives you something to do, and yes I agree with it when it comes to epically big shit, and yes I did go along with it and use it to lock up alot of people, --but-- newer people who don't have game time or are experienced in shit like that will more then likely get frustrated with it, as I know alot of my co-judges have.

So yes, a veteran player is needed to play a Judge. But simply killing your character off just becuase you want to be a judge isn't worth it if you still have alot of shit goin on, and I don't agree with "oh ur 2 old kill urself" becuase all it is is people mad that they can't figure out a way to get rid of you.

I also don't agree with the " Oh you're too old kill yourself " mentality, but I do think most people don't have the desire to step up to the plate and orchestrate a lavish perma plan, simply because in Sindome you can't trust the guy next to you to come through without leaking information or betraying you.

And half the time, you might get the idea you're setting yourself up to be permed by trying to put something like that in motion.

Risk versus Reward kicks in and negates the whole thing.

Every time I've killed a character off I felt satisfied with where he was, all of them except Flannagan.

Because he had a LOT more to do before I was going to be satisfied with the RP.

Asakura ended simply because I told Johnny who I was and it wasn't a big deal to me despite my lavish 200 dollar blue sector mansion.

My point is, if you know where you want to go with your RP and have a solid goal to achieve, more power to you, I don't care if you're Aikao or JoeNoob, achieve it by any means and keep going until you're satisfied with the result.

I just tend to favor the approach where a stagnant oldbie might become proactive and realise a new char might breathe some new life into the MOO and his or her RP.

Sorta like a certain dead ex-judge and I am definitely not suggesting your character is stagnate, I know for a fact it's quite the opposite.

Wonder what loser he's talking about.  Pfft...damn noobs.