More WJF Authority
Any ideas?

First off, I think magna-cuffs need some work done to them, I remember way back in the day when you were cuffed you couldn't run from the Judge who cuffed you. Maybe that needs to come back again?

Also, the code to put cuffed people into the cruisers works fantastically, buy maybe there needs to be some verb to get them out. My problem was that even if they were incapacitated I couldn't boot them out, they just dodged me. When IRL you can't really dodge that while cuffed, not to mention unconscious.

Any other ideas you guys have are welcome here, this is just what I thought of in the little time I've sat here and decided to post.

Maybe redoing the Judge armor is in order to make it more streamlined. I'm not saying it isn't good armor, but maybe some recoding should be done for the nametags, or authorization to wear it. I was thinking if someone who wasn't authorrized to wear the armor put it on, then on the nametag would glow red and everyone would know.

Maybe some accessories could be added to it/taken off at will. I mean the basics would remain, but maybe you should be able to add certain things, like maybe a container to hold clips or more hand cuffs.

And the radio, it's a fantastic invention, and perfect for the Judge helmet but it isn't used as much. Maybe we need to figure out a way to utilize it more then the SIC. More then once criminals have been able to figure out what I'm doing, because they saw chatter on the encrypted SIC. Maybe a way to talk to Ops on the radios so the general populations have no idea what's going on is in order.

Here's a list of things I think need to be added to the HoJ:
-A way to purchase Enforcers, maybe it could log who's buying it to prevent Judges from hacking them and selling them on the market if that's a problem.
-A way to purchase Judge Armor, holsters, accessories with your name on it, if recoding it isn't going to happen, so that we're not walking around without things and missing helmets and stuff.
-A way to lock down the HoJ. I toured the local police station about a year ago, and they are able to lock down the entire building in a matter of seconds if need be, maybe we need the same thing?

Along with all these new things, some things need to be added to the memento Judges themselves. More then once I've gotten into battles and other Judges came to help and they either wouldn't have their enforcer out, or they were out of ammo, or they were carrying something around like a tac-comp or a newspaper and they start thwapping them with it, doing little damage. The garage doors have been broken for some time now, so I'm buying  the cruisers Ethanol right now, which costs a lot of money.

Any other ideas?

Also, I know you guys are busy so if this isn't priority number one that's ok. I'm just putting this up to maybe get some ideas rolling for when the time does come to do some work on the WJF.

(Edited by Salvatore at 1:54 pm on Aug. 24, 2008)

Ultimately, I'd like to see the starting point for new players be the HoJ (with the option to choose otherwise). More money, more quick power and, potentially, an IC reason to give standardized 'training' to all new players. Definitely have my eye on Kevlar's SHFL gizmo with some sort of recording device to get a Training Room going, with/without GM presence.

The Judges should have the following on their side...the Law, Money (which translates into some cutting-edge weaponry, but that doesn't eliminate creativity on the criminal end), and Training.

The things that work against them should be Numbers (gangs), Creativity (on the part of the criminal), and of course Accountability (even if they are Judge, Jury, and Executioner, but they need to have their peers and superiors looking over their shoulder as well).

Being a Judge should be easy and relatively routine. Being a criminal should be hard and fun. Disagree?

I understand my choices with RP lead me to this situation I am in but I was actually hoping to inspire a little confrontation and its never going to happen and I don't think it'd be IC for my character to seek out RP with the judges if I know i'm just going to be radically oppressed!

I don't like leaving people hanging on RP but I feel like I don't have a choice. I don't want to die and it'd be silly for me to enable myself to get caught and killed in this situation. So I don't know what else to do.

I sorta think it's kinda silly to talk shit to somebody then end up with three pages of criminal charges on my rapsheet. It just doesn't make me want to RP with them and I don't think that's a good product from the way they're played.

It seems very easy to avoid contact with these players and judging from whats already happened i'm not simply going to march to my death that would be incredibly un-IC. I'm just at a loss, I want to RP it out but I don't have any confidence in the way the judges are acting to get any quality RP out of the situation!

Any constructive suggestions are welcomed!

I WANT to RP with the judges on this matter but the way its setup it makes it near impossible for me to picture any RP coming from it.

So I'm at a loss at how to play the game with you.

If I have to I will avoid you, I am not too worried about it to be honest there seem to be several ways to not become detected by others in this game. Many players have been doing so lately. You can try to hunt down my character for weeks and months if you want but I don't think it will be very fun or be very much RP involved for you and I'd like to change that but I am not seeing a way to do that so I was looking for suggestions.

Your reply just makes me think of the judges more like an Anti-RP role than anything. If i don't want to die avoid you. Plain and simple right? There is no RP in that for you and I don't like depriving people of RP =[

Oh well! Thanks for your input.

My character doesn't want to be captured so it's my thing as a roleplayer to play that out properly right?

It's disappointing but I don't want to act Un-icly for the sake of you having enjoyable RP at my characters expense. I would rather act ICly and go with the flow.

I just hope you're up to it and don't get discouraged and realize that I am not being " selective " I am being merely being IC and acting accordingly to my characters desire to stay alive and free from the cluthes of corrupt law enforcement, right?

And please don't say I -will- be caught because nothing is set in stone. Kinda saps all the fun out of avoiding you if you insist that it's futile.

But that's fine it is pretty late.

Thanks for the input though!

But now onto my post, Cyberscot you've unfortunately reached the short end of the stick on SD. The part when you can either risk RP and get a boot shoved up your ass OR hide in your cube all day hoping that one day years from now the problem will go away.

Yes, they both suck. You're unable to powerplay and finessing your way out of the situation is next to impossible because you sided with the bad guy of the moment.

Most of us have been there. Alot of people are in your position now. And they all hide...all day...and never rp. And it sucks, totally.

Your new, so I'm gonna explain this real fucking brute force before you go all pussy on me.

YOU ARE GONNA DIE. ITS GONNA HAPPEN. ITS GONNA SUCK. IT WON'T BE PROPERLY RP'D AS YOU'D LIKE IT AND YOUR GONNA GET RAMMED HARDCORE UP YOUR ASS.

Best thing you can hope for is that someday...you can do it back.

Of course, at least you'll have the intergrity to claim you're not a huge vagina and face death/perm like a real cyberpunk chummer on that day. Right?

I was gonna go off for alot longer and be alot more brutal...but I think that should cover the basics.

P.S. Biohazard please come back.

(Edited by ReeferMadness at 8:37 pm on Feb. 4, 2009)

In case none of you know, I'm an oldbie. My character isn't as old as any of the other oldbies but whatever. I'm fucking awesome so I'm scary.

My job as an oldbie is do things to make the game more fun and create a dynamic sort of feel. If you're a newbie 7/10, I will try and help you. Either by getting you that initial item to use your skillset or straight out giving you a job. That means chyen in the economy (hooray).

Oh, I know...you're asking: "Reefer, you stoned fuck. What happens to the other three?"

Well, I try to help them and they won't be helped. Sometimes they call me names, sometimes they spit in my face. You get the point. Best case scenario: I don't help them. Worst case scenario: I rape them up the ass with my Mr. Studd and leave them in the badlands.

Moving on...

Those seven are faced with a chance to become a survive and become a part of the in-game economy by doing whatever the fuck they do. Initially for me and later for everyone else. Generating more RP and allowing them to fuck me over or be my dirty little slave.

THose three are now my enemies. No, I won't just go rape them all over the place yet...but it'll happen. So then, they go to the other side of the fence: the domain of the WJF/GOLD whatevah...

THen the jakes help them (I HOPE). Pay them off for information that you may or may not have. (LIE LIE LIE TRUTH LIE)

And voila, there we have the integral in-game dynamic. Or at least as it should be.

Now as you grow up, in-game...you'll get less hand out and be expected to be more on your own. Ideally.

Of course, when you have oldbies working with the WJF...and it doesn't make any sense at all. Shit gets all kinda weird...but hang tough.

What I was really getting at is...that's how its supposed to work. The WJF isn't supposed to be a mop up the newbs and hi5 the oldbie for the win. Unless of course, you sided with the devil or otherwise pissed off everyone. Which means you'll get fucked six ways to the drome and will never have fun with your current character.

But yeah, this is one of the drawbacks of too many oldbies siding with eachother instead of the new blood. I don't need you old and crusty fuckers to hold my hand. Hold some kid fresh out of the goo's hand...if for the very least an excuse to kill anyone who fucks with them.

This shit all stinks of fluffy bunny...and I'm used to it. I don't care. I'm gonna bring the heat till everyone realizes how much more fun it is to not be friends with anyone. But think of the newbs.

We talk about how we need more players but we're very quick to throw them to the flames. Does it mean they shouldn't have enemies? HELL NO. It just means they should have allies too.

Just read that. This is truth.

I allways see people saying dumb shit like 5 noobs with bats and knives could swarm someone like D, or Aikao, or Seven and send them straight to hell. Sorry to say but that is not the case at all. I know if 5 noobs tried to play D like a pinate(sp?) He would wash their mouths out with buckshot.

That being said, gang up all the same. Get your 5 noobs together, and carve out a niche in the market; Guns, drugs, protection rackets, gambeling, assasinations, hired muscle whatever, and seek out the oldbie allready running it. Get to work for him. Work your way up HIS food chain, get dirt on HIM, trick his mark ass intro thinking you're his boys, then lure him into a back alley one night for a meet and greet and have the 5 now well armored, well armed, (And well statted by this time) "noobs" and enact a change of management.  That's how the food chain works. Thats how you come up as a gang. You may wanna watch your back around your boys though if you're all devious enough to do that. Oh shit, now you're paranoid, so you off all the mixers you came up with to secure your crown. Holy shit.

That's one way to do it. I like how people hate oldbies though. I used to, then I became one. The thing you gotta remember is their characters started as noobs, and some had yellow brick roads to follow to the top, and some of us had to out shoot and outlive the rest.

Think on it.

A newbie teaming up with an oldbie or several oldbie shouldn't be treated as if he is doing something wrong, I don't understand your comment at all.

Please explain.

Lets put this back on spectrum.

What are some outside thoughts on the WJF mechanism?

I think it's totally reasonable to start shit with people who you have no chance of beating "fairly". Expecting an [oldbie, organization, etc.] to get your back is just one part of the equation of taking them on. Cyberpunk is embodied by the manipulation of others through deception to get them to act in your favor...

By way of deception, thou shalt do war

Right?

If your guttersnipe...you're worthless. But if you're the little guy and you work for the WJF, Triads, etc. You're not to be trifled with. Working for an oldbie with considerable resources is no different.

However, the discretion of the bigger brother to get involved is important. Not even a judge can be like "You fucked my girlfriend on live television, I'm banishing you!". Getting these people/factions involved required RP on its own.

Anything that generates RP is good in my opinion.

However, it is irritating when you...a well respected, blah blah blah king bazambo of orange sector with a feather in your hat is belittled by guttersnipe +1. It damages your REP and makes you look like a chump until you do something about it.

So now you gotta do something about it, right?

Holy shit. Look at that! RP...possibly combat...WHHEEEEE!!!

When people fuck you, fuck them back. That's what makes the game churn, boyo.

Cryer, you may not be happy to get fucked.
Jotun, you may not like to be put in a difficult position.
Damarung, you LOVE to fuck.

But somebody has gotta make sweet sweet love to sindome. Nobody has fun riding the metaphorical penis of sindome when its lazy ass won't do more then mutter 'Oh baby'.

So, who wants to fuck?

Quote: from ReeferMadness on 6:10 pm on Feb. 6, 2009[br]
Damarung, you LOVE to fuck.

But somebody has gotta make sweet sweet love to sindome. Nobody has fun riding the metaphorical penis of sindome when its lazy ass won't do more then mutter 'Oh baby'.

So, who wants to fuck?

*raises his hand* I DO!

Ever had to deal with tha coppa's CyberScott?  It aint a sweet ordeal in any sense man.
Sometimes ya get the nice ones who laugh and smile with you, then shove a wad of citations up your backside so far ya gotta hire a dentist to read them.  Other times, ya get the asshole, who just -wants- you to give him a funny look.  Talk as much shit as your character did to THAT guy.  Then tell me how your surgery is coming along.

Your character acted accordingly to the situation as I see it.  But that doesn't always mean its right for the laws set in the game.  These are different from rules bro, you don't break the rules ever.  Your char can break laws, but for it, he becomes a wanted man.  That's just all there is to it.

Just kiddin heh, I guess I misunderstood is all.  Sorry bro.

Please.

Maybe a way to talk to Ops on the radios so the general populations have no idea what's going on is in order.

Ops definitely should be monitoring radio traffic if they aren't already. There is also the problem that when you take off your helmet, your radio gets turned off.  Perhaps there should be a receiver in the form of an ear piece or something that will stay on even when you need to take your helmet off to verify your identity at a door.  It would also make sense for helmets to be able to scan the iris if it's wearer and then communicate authentication with doors in the WHJ.  Doors outside the WHJ however should still require you to remove your helmet.  But when done so, the radio should still be accessible.

Somebody with enough electronic knowhow and security knowhow should also be able to use equipment to pick up radio signals and decode them for illegitimate use.  Then again, is no conversation sacred?  Every form of conversation should have advantages and disadvantages.  In person you don't know who's watching.  On the phone you don't know who you're talking to.  On radio and on SIC you're broadcasting.  There should always be a way around security but it should never be easy.

by the way, there are soooooo many other things in life that are more important than a game, trust me, I may get frustrated when you say I'm targeting you when I clearly am not, but nothing you or anyone else can say on this board will make me angry, ruin my day, or do anything more than frustrate me until I turn my computer off and return to real life.

(Edited by Jotun at 10:18 am on Feb. 7, 2009)