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Corp Janitors Having All Access

I think that the janitors at the various towers should have their verifications upgraded to all access. Even past what security normally has access to and into regions of VIP Offices.

Obviously if the janny is planning on walking into Rex Gold's office with a 12 gauge there'd need to be an XHelp, but I do think that short of places like the literal armory room, the janitorial access should just be free range to walk in and out of the place. Especially with the introduction of Grid 4.0 stuff, a janitor can easily be a scout for any infiltration run for SIC blackout attacks to cover an assaults.

This of course I'd like to also ask that code be updated to allow the verification through doors with someone's removed eye or hand.

You can already achieve that infiltration already but it will require RPing. This just flat out removes RP opportunities.
I think one of the main concerns with this is that it would stifle RP if people are able to access secure locations with such a low barrier of entry, cutting out anyone working security.
Security will actually have to do their job. Good idea.
By that do you mean hope to be online at the same time as someone who is going around through automated systems, hoping to catch the glimpse of it on a camera?

Not as entertaining of RP as you think.

This is already doable by just going through RP, instead of trying to do everything by yourself. Use other people to your advantage. Even things as extreme as killing the CEO or president of a corp are very easy if you can get the right people to help you out.
Theme wise it doesn't make a lot of sense for a service mixer to have access to corp-only buildings.

For infiltration it's more nuanced and requires cooperation with other PCs (or NPCs).

Personally not a fan of anything that takes away the requirement of roleplaying with others.

By that I mean, securing things of importance and patrolling when online.
Yeah, making people to aimlessly wander around the building through most of your online time is not how you drive engaging RP, it's how you kill people's will to corpsec.
Yes and no, I think you need a bit of patrolling but not every day
Why would a Janitor, a Service-mixer, be allowed to go places not even CorpSec have ready access? This request makes no sense whatsoever. CorpSec Agents spend -years- earning trust in their roles, doing a whole lot of shady stuff on a daily basis, all in-pursuit of a Corp's goals, and most of them will never even come face-to-face with the CEO of a Corporation. So why would a Janitor, of all people, be given access to secure areas the most-trusted members of a Corp don't have?

I think this is a terrible idea. There's a reason why Corporate Citizens have to spend years building trust within their Corp to eventually gain access to areas most people never see. The progression is what makes it fun.

I would rather have messes spawn in public areas with the occassional one that spawns behind closed doors. Also they should totes have to carry garbage to the WCS dumpster. With the option to fling it all over another corp's lobby. Janitor wars!

As for infiltration, I'm hoping we'll see some options for shenanigans with these updates, but hopefully they'll be balanced as to not make corps too laughably easy to wreck. So… autoturrets and sundry.

So the reason I posted this is to push the idea of trust with service mixers of all shapes and sizes and to also point out that sometimes the chink in the greatest armor is the dumbest of people.

For instance, do you remember how one of the largest military intelligence breaches happened because of Discord? A 19 year old E-1 shared highly classified command intel to a chat he was in because he was bored. Billions of dollars of planning flushed down the drain because the equivalent of a WHJ file clerk named J4k tEh dR1PP3R wanted the lulz. Anyone working cyber security can tell you that yes, it really is that stupid out there in terms of how security breaches happen.

But… why would a janitor be allowed free access to the office of Rex Gold when a senior security agent has trouble? Because in the office of Rex Gold there is the bathroom of Rex Gold that has a diamond studded toilet encrusted by taco Tuesday's leftovers. Or at least there should be. It's kinda of small worlding to believe that there aren't toliets to clean on the regular behind those doors. But it finally comes down to this too. The job entails scrubbing shit off of porcelain. Who is going to do it? If you only want Senior Sec access to the CEO office, well here's a brush... get to work. Climbed high on the corporate ladder just to scrub shit... how fitting.

And also, it would be a nightmare for security. As it already is and should be in the real world. Every single janitor applicant may be a spy for one of the rival companies. Or a terrorist. Or both. Or he could be a legitimate good chum who just wants to mop the floors, take home his pay, and work on his taxidermy and joy collection. But anyone who has worked for big megacorporations know, security is there to monitor YOU more than they monitor others. Check in on your jannies. Who are they associating with? What bars do they frequent? What are they saying? They do understand that the Krakeon is a wonderful place to live, and they are being offered a cut on rent out of the bottom of the company's heart. Does the janitor really even NEED anything from Red?

Also, the same can be true for seeing things from Red's perspective. Every janitor sitting at the bar just claiming to just want to do their job might be an earpiece for corps. They make fucking bank compared to any other Red sector job can offer, including literal doctors with MDs at CGH. They lick corpie boots for a job that requires no effort as opposed to actual hard working Mixers starving every day. Should they really be trusted when they're the ones dragging the corpses of your chums into the incinerator? Did you hear about how the last chum who roughed him up got a special visit from Corpsec?

And also when you add in now that the janitor's eyeball can get someone access to the brig, well suddenly the janitor has a whole slew of roleplaying opportunities as the local gangers really want him to just walk in and free their chum. Now. Or they can do it the fun way and cut out your eye.

With Grid 4.0 I see a lot of room for actual use for having a man on the inside, able to access things like those wiring hubs that need to be shut off or networks hacked, which would require physical access to the room. It also requires performing a blatantly illegal action that can not be hidden in any way. And there's the rub. The requirement for security to let you in and stand there staring at you is a barrier that needs removal. Because while more players are being involved, one is acting as a gatekeeper of the story instead of an enabler. The entire chain of the story comes crashing down by the sec guard just being a dick and saying no and refusing to roleplay along. Better to ask for forgiveness than permission after all.

Will this just cause people to wait until the middle of the night and just circumvent all the players when they're not online? Well... yeah. Criminals usually plan crimes around times when they know security forces will be at a low because of shift changes, and the building mostly empty. But that also doesn't mean that they can just get away with it. XHELP Crime specifically says that if they're planning on doing any shenanigans in any towers that they need to XHELP to at least say they're doing something. If they're walking into the CEO's office with a bazooka, maybe the staff might put something in the way. But things like scanning interiors for geolocations while mopping the floors might go unnoticed depending on how it's roleplayed. Maybe SEC might get a passing comment from a guard about Joe Baka coming in at a really weird hour, or a complaint about how the janitor staff always seem to be addicted to that new Grid game, tapping away all day on it. Instead of the roleplay of watching someone scrub a toilet like a hawk killing all momentum, now the ball is rolling. Further plot can evolve on the planning end, and security gets to run plot investigating just what the janitor and his friends are planning.

The people you are against are the people you depend on. We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls. We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.

Do not fuck with us.Tyler Durden

All the mistrust, checks and so on regarding mix sec janitors already happen as even before grid 4.0 they were extremely valuable ingress of espionage.

I just don't get why do you want to remove any degree of social engineering from it, just wait until there are no players, or they are not in the building (because sitting in a room and watching cameras is not very appealing RP) and deal with staff reactions instead of players.

This really is just… Yeah, explain to me how any of that enhances RP exactly? Everything it offers you can achieve now, including unattended access to places, but it has to be earned through RP.

Risikio brings up a lot of good points for story progression if Sindome were a tabletop game or a console game. In Shadowrun returns, infiltrating the cult HQ as a janitor is one of the funnest methods of doing so.

I don't think Sindome is built like that though. As someone who played a janitor and ripped off things from the job, it was exactly as described by Risikio when I needed to go behind locked doors. Those interactions though were key personal lore builders in that characters hate for a certain corp, or a certain person, etc.