[April '25] Improvements Feedback
Put your feedback from April 2025 here

The most common piece of cyberware is the neural processor and a biochip reticulator costs 14x more than the processor does, breaking even on that will require years even assuming no cost to acquire the cyberware, while other types of cyberware might only be installed a handful of times across many years and could never cover the value of their respective tools.

It's fine if players aren't intended to put cyberware into characters as freelancers and just meant to rip it out, but it does feel like something the game is tacitly encouraging players to pursue while not making it practical to do.

* Paragliders

* Weapon Modifications

* SHI General Tools (Cybernetics detector, Explosives sniffer, firearm detector, nanogenics detector, tracker, debugger, NOT YOU SatNav receiver & network scanner, you're cool)

* SK Nanites

I also agree with 0x1mm on cybernetic tools.

Looking forward to seeing the effects.

Could we maybe look at prices of rifle and smudge holsters? Those are almost 6x price of equivalent for a pistol and that feels a bit excessive.

Jokes aside, I still think all of these changes are absolutely cinema, maximum awesomeness.

I don't know if this is a technical limitation but this could dramatically hamper these updates effecting the game, some stores see somewhat quick restocking but others can have extremely stagnant stock especially when they're packed with very expensive items.

With freight stocking largely out of the equation now green shops can take months to see a lot of restocking, whereas shops in the Badlands could take actual years to see significant amounts of new stock.

I prioritized getting the price changes out, as it will directly impact things that sell quickly, the market, new things being stocked.

Absolutely, no complaints there! The perfect is the enemy of the good. Thank you again for going over different areas so thoroughly and attentively, they really are amazing changes and sure to bolster engagement with less popular areas of the game.

Great. Cars were one of the few things that were overpriced along with their weaponry. Though I believe this was due to the idea that high cost means less player use means less having to fix bugged and broken systems.

Does this include hulks? If not, hulks need to be included as well. The jump between newbie bike and newbie car is astronomical.

Robot Parts

-These too I feel were overpriced to hide the flaws in the system, however I don't feel like it does enough. It makes cats extremely cheap, but Eisenhowers still remain just slightly out of reach in terms of money to all but the most dedicated corporate citizen. Obviously Dog-borgs would probably go somewhere in here in terms of bridging a pricing scheme but that's another bridge to burn.

As an alternative suggestion, I would have avoided the price cut here and instead implemented a system that robot parts could be scavenged and found within the junkyard. Just horribly damaged and in need of repair. I feel it would create an economy of junkrats to riggers that would be more beneficial for the game economy than just buying it from a chyen sink, and speed up creation of mix-matched robots instead of waiting to afford "the best" parts piece by piece.

Armor Price Reductions

-Pinstripe armor needs a pass by in price if we are slashing prices. I'd suggest 50%. They're powerful as xo3 yes but they are ruined with a single bullet or blade attack.

-WCS gear is insanely powerful against what it is designed to combat and should be considered high tier specialized armor. These prices should not have been touched. Same goes for the unmarked varieties of this armor.

-Vehicle Ammunition

Vehicle ammunition I do not understand. I would think that most of the vehicle ammunition used could only be afforded by corporate or NPC payrolls. You're just making it easier for sources with infinite money to buy things? I do understand the concept of a budget, but at the end of the day this is a video game and the staff can just hand wave it away. If you really wanted vehicle ammunition to become cheaper and part of the game you'd let ammunition tables manufacture them.

-Weapon Mod Changes

Given that no weaponsmith or even player can source weapons mods except being forced to be buying them directly from only two places, this looks really icky on an OOC level. Please place being able to strip mods from firearms as a top priority or revert this.

-Armorsmithing

Given that armor has been made as cheap as pud in terms of replacement, is there going to be any change to the armor repair system to make it anywhere approaching viable? What's the point in paying 1K to have my trench repaired and permanently damaged when I can buy a brand new one undamaged for 3K?

Will refunds be offered for armor repair dummies?

-Ripperdoc Cyberware Tools

None of this should have been adjusted. They're all in the market right now. Nobody was asking about them or trying to find out how much they were, people just pretended they knew everything, whined, and the prices moved. Please revert.

Also, a lot of people have some serious issues with privilege and immediate gratification. You're acting like as a shady and illegal ripperdoc you're entitled to not only an operating room worth of tools within 24 hours of asking, but you're somehow expecting this to be as cheap, if not cheaper, than retail stores? No… sorry.

Thank you.

It time/money gates roleplay to the point where a pc without backup would have to collect for like a year just to have a full set, all these changes has been so people can have more angst around losing stuff all the time.

I agree with Nymphali, these changes have been absolutely awesome.

Worth mentioning, probably only because this particular descriptor helped certain individuals stand out among the crowd, specifically for newer players who were just getting a handle on the game.

(Edited by Slither at 1:50 pm on 4/25/2025)

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(Edited by Slither at 1:47 pm on 4/25/2025)

I think it's very clear that the answer to your question about the negativity being productive is no. Risikio has also said they are not even playing the game recently. Please don't give their negative comments so much merit, I'm very happy we're getting so much changes :)

Thank you for all the time you're putting in Slither.

In part somewhat because of the low information state of the world and how closed off players are from one another in compared to other games, I think it's relatively easy for players (current and former) to fall into mindsets of there being in-groups and out-groups, that they are in one or the other, and that their success or failure or their feedback being heard or not is based on that. But I think you can also see similar things in games with high investment and competition but extremely high player information (the EVE Online community is fucking batshit for example), so to a certain extent anything players are really into can expect some amount of it and it's just a pretty common universal case in any setting or topic that positive or agreeing views don't generate discussion in the same way that negative or conflicting views do.

Slither and the staff as a whole have been dedicated to fostering a healthy staff-player relationship. But it takes both sides to create a healthy relationship. Constant abuse on the forums after staff made changes based on player feedback will ensure that staff never listens to player feedback ever again.

We do have a cyberware which details information about how heavily armored something is. I could see us providing more information using that, but I think I would want at least an indicator of the type of damage armor can protect against without the cyberware.

My goal would be someone could look at NeXus for example and say (this is not actually true, but it could be if we make changes): This is great for dealing with 'edged' damage from blades. And they could look at Du-Wear and say, wow, all that padding, this is great for protecting against blunt damage.

So that it's more than just a stylistic choice. NeXus and Du-Wear do prevent damage at different rates for different damage types, but there is currently no way for anyone to know it outside of very extensive IC testing.

Gating this information behind munitions could be an interesting way to make that skill more usable, but… that would only be temporary, as the knowledge would get out and become part of the meta pretty quick, I think.

Maybe something more detailed, like 'compare' command that lets someone with the right skill compare one set of armor to another, and see: 'Armor A protects against blunt damage better than Armor B. Armor B protects against edged damage better than Armor A'. Or something?

I'm all for making munitions better, just not sure simply gating the info about what type of damage an armor protects against would do it. Suppose we could put the info behind a skill check there, and make it available with the cyberware...

I'd like to point out that the idea that different armors protect in different ways against damage types IS out there, but just not blatantly obvious. But this is also knowledge that floats around the munitioners and armorsmiths, rarely being part of public discourse on SIC. It also isn't that hard to understand when you think about the nature of kevlar, what a knife can do to it, and how much of a threat a blade poses to police.

By the way, the knowledge really isn't that gatekept. It's just that from my understanding nobody has written an IC armor guide in quite a bit, so once again it really is only known among people really into their armor, but even then it is a question of how much exactly does each protect against. So de-mystification via mechanics is good.

But YES, I'd be very much in favor of being able to know what general amount of damage is "soaked" by individual armor being included in a munitions skill check upon inspect. It would help munitioners become just more naturally knowledgeable about their armor instead of having to scour the grid and hope to find a lost IC tome for information about their trade. Even if it says as little as "Can take a fair bit of impact damage. Can take a decent amount of piercing damage" that can at least be a gauge of SOMETHING to compare to.

As for this knowledge being only "temporary" and the fears of it becoming "the meta", that cat got out of the bag long ago. Your long time players of combat characters already vaguely know what works against what and they carry that knowledge over from character to character. This wouldn't be gatekeeping information from the player base, it'd be teaching new players unspoken mechanics quicker.

Also, in terms of that specific chrome piece I'd actually suggest alterations to it regarding armors.

First, I think that in addition to saying how armored a piece of armor someone is wearing is, I think it should also give you a little % number indicating the overall integrity of the armor they are wearing. Also, when inspecting armor for damage instead of giving an overall "barely damaged" "heavily damaged" gauge on each coverage area, give actual percentages of damage sustained to each section of armor. This particular piece of chrome gives an insane amount of information on the fly, and if I can theoretically be able to count the bullets left in my opponents minigun BY SIGHT, I should be able to get information on my opponent's overall armor integrity on the fly.

However I do not think information about how an armor will react in combat to damage types should not be given via this chrome. Knowing that the neXus pajama pants are a synth-hide kevlar blend doesn't do much in terms of knowing HOW that data can be used. Knowing that something is heavily armored against something and knowing WHAT it is heavily armored against are very different pieces of information.