Fluffy attitudes?
maybe -I'm- wrong?

(Edited by Ramsey at 11:19 pm on July 12, 2009)

Quote: from Nemisis on 11:47 pm on July 12,

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

So say we all.

Quote: from Lena on 10:31 pm on July 12, 2009[br][

You and I should probably get along better OOC than we do, given our professions. But we don't. We both bring some of our OOC attitudes to bear on our characters IC actions. Maybe we shouldn't, but we do. so when I get ticked off over your IC actions, yes, I blame your OOC attitude as well. The GMs don't approve of me doing this. So, I'm not making noise to the game community (except here because you obviously want to talk about it, and when people try to be friendly and calm me down).

I don't see how our professions should make us get along better. Matter of fact, the longer you are in the military or the more times you deploy if thats what the coast guard does you will more then likely hate everything about other branches. It's normal. And yes, when IC RP gets dumbed down, I will dumb down and roll with it and resort to going with the way you guide it.
I don't go in, actually, I never did, thinking man I hate this chick let me fuck her day up. I used to think you were pretty down before all of this but that's neither here nor there.

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And if waveing your gun around and talking shit puts you on the top or near the top, then why the fuck not? I for one am tired of people getting mad over getting shot becuase they did something fucking dumb, and then accusing people of just powerplaying, when it's pretty

Because there are other roles in this city that need to get filled. I guess everyone that starts off at SHI or courier jobs has to have ambitions to be on top and killing people to make money, or else why are they here, right? I respect Slither on the 'there always needs to be someone killing everyone else'. You fill a role. I just think you're just a real cheap trick about it. You might call it Strategic. But then again, you call RPing flaws, mistakes, and impulses "doing something fucking dumb'. Can I play the way you do? Probably not. Can you play the way I do? Probably not. Would either of us want to switch places? No. You can call me fluffy all you want, but I'd be interested in how many people think my character is A Helpful Nice Person Like In Cheers.

Again, that point is half cocked becuase despite what you all believe I hardly ever kill anyone.
And I am not saying that RPing your flaws is stupid, I am saying that they can result in a stupid action that would result in someone being pissed over it. Get it?
And I know you're not cheers type, this post wasn;t all directed at you.

And what's my next char?

Wait.. is the person that Biohazard referring to male or female? Hrmm.

His character is the type that if you piss him off, he might kill you. It doesn't have anything to do with having boobs or not. I've seen him hassle other girls.

It sounds like you're still complaining about the fact that he killed you without giving you a chance to RP your way out of it - a thing that you also say he doesn't do anymore. And that has absolutely nothing to do with my gender.

But I don't believe that the issue brought up has -anything- to do with it.

The issue is that people are getting OOCly upset about the fact that Bio's character is an asshole.

If I get bored playing Seven and I HAVE, I have started new characters, several times (Ruby?  Lansing?).  And that's not to even start with the NPCs I've spent months bringing to life (Huo?  Juicy?  Mackey?  And a slur of NPC's on the Grid)

However, as much as I enjoy playing other characters I always get back to this one thing.  I play the game because there is a part of me that wants to be the ultra-badass slang talking baka hating mexican criminal mother fucker.

That's my kind of roleplaying.  That's what makes me tick.  That's the kind of RP that scratches the itch that I've had since I was a little kid growing up with a funny last name.  That's my release.

If someone perms my character then of course, I would create a new one.  I would hope that everyone here would agree that I wouldn't let OOC knowledge get in the way of my character being permed and if I felt it might, I would simply not GM during the interim, as I have done in the past when OOC knowledge was making it hard for me to function on the player-side.

What many of you might not realize is that when you become an admin you really dumb down your character.  Seven is a smart guy, he always has been.  However, when I became an admin I had to start overlooking things that he might have spotted, because I wasn't sure if he was spotting them or if my Adminly knowledge of the situation was bleeding over.  So we play it safe and ignore warning signs that we are about to be betrayed, fucked over, killed, permed, etc.   You can apply that same general idea to many of the situations that alts face in game.

Sure, an admin may have put you in the situation that you happened to be in when you were permed, but does that mean that we knew what the character that permed you was going to do?  No, of course not.

If an admin puppets a Judge and Judges a player for committing a crime, and the punishment is clone death, and another player hears about it and waits at the vats and perms the chummer that got clone death, would you call foul and say that the admin set them up to be permed?

What looks to you like a plot on the admins behalf to set you up, to me looks like a series of unfortunate events that led to your characters demise.  If we as admin had treated the situation any differently, if we had sheltered you from the decisions you made, wouldn't it have been a foul against the other player involved?  The one that actually did the perming?  

Quote: from Damarung on 1:46 am on July 13, 2009[br] death is inevitable and it hardly goes as you'd hope.

I know I used to sneak up on you back in the day and jump you, but that was a reaction you auto attacking me. Cause and effect man. Not just you either, currently playing and past playing GM and Admin alts use to attack me all the time without RP in the slightest. It was accepted at the time and seen as the smart thing to do in order to secure your victory. However, over the past few years, it seems we ALL have evolved from that.

As for me playing a nice guy next time around? Oh no, please don't threaten to not respect me. That would just break my fucking heart.

Quote from Nemisis

We are all attached to our characters I mean, for me at least.. the game is about the struggle. �The constant, never ending struggle. �Without someone who's better then you, the only people you are struggling with are the NPCs. �And what fun is that?

That one statement basically sums up alot of how I feel on this topic. �Very well said.

Quote by Lena
You and I should probably get along better OOC than we do, given our professions. But we don't. We both bring some of our OOC attitudes to bear on our characters IC actions. Maybe we shouldn't, but we do. so when I get ticked off over your IC actions, yes, I blame your OOC attitude as well.

I had something a bit more rude to say so I'll just leave it at this: �Do you really think that his profession has anything at all to do with yours other than the fact that your government employees? �Maybe I misunderstand your job, but I know Bio's. � This is off topic tho so I'll just leave that at that.

quoted from Lena
I'm also going to be jealous of the stats that allow someone to slaughter/pickpocket/steal from a character older than them.

You really shouldn't be. �His stats are a product of the way he plays as well as yours, that's all that is. �You jealous of one of his stats, invest in yours accordingly.

quote from Lena
You can call me fluffy all you want, but I'd be interested in how many people think my character is A Helpful Nice Person Like In Cheers.

I don't think I'd go that far, and I don't even want to say this because I just know it's going to be taken to offense, but over a peroid of many years your character has gone from being far on one end of the spectrum, to far on another. �It is likely just a misperception on my part but currently it seems your characters identity is becoming muddled in the mess of multiple angles your playing at once. � I'm not necessarily saying it's bad, or good, just making an observation because you asked for one. �I always have, and hopefully will continue to enjoy RP'ing with you.

By Damarung
Against him, learn to deal with playstyles unlike yours. �We'll get equalibrium this way. �If we were all Bio clones, this shit would suck (in the same manner as if we were all fluffy). �Way harder than any of us make it to be currently.

While I don't entirely disagree with you, multiple facets of RP are needed to create the world in which we play, I think that the "equalibrium" is currently much more tward the fluffy side then the violent.

I think that ever since I've started playing this game, or possibly after being a year or two into it, the level of ambitious violence has been heading down, and the level of... �I'm just going to say "cheers style" rp has been on the rise. � �The absolutely, positively best RP I have on moo is when there are multiple strong players (and that doesn't necessarily mean players with uber stats) playing RED �vying for turf, marketshare, whatever -insert thing to compete for here- � �The times when a couple smaller characters team up to make a stronger force, the times when everybody wanted to kill everyone and take their piece of the action, but of course few actually did because everyone has their role, and everyone has their uses. �I could go on and on about back in the old days this that and the other thing but that won't change anything. � The struggles of RED and on and in RED are no doubt what makes this game go around. � �

I really thought I had more to say about this, and I could go on and on I guess, but all I'd probably end up doing is restating the theme that (generally speaking) Mixer violence/ambition to fuck others for personal gain/the ability to come up with good countermeasures if your the one being fucked=good � Chatting mofo's up all the time, and having your RP revolve around being a socialite with little other identity=bad.

Far as bitching ooc'ly about IC events goes, I think we all hate to see it, but we've all done it, alot of us are likely to do it again, it just comes with the territory of having large amounts of time invested in characters/plots/and this game in general, and in most situations there's going to people who come out ahead, and for that to happen there will also be people that don't. � �I'm no exception to this, and have been bitchy in the past, I'd like to say that I won't do it again, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. � Generally speaking it makes me look like a whiny when I do it tho so I try not to. � My turn to be the one that comes out ahead will come. �

edited for formatting reasons not content.   and for some reason it's still jacked.   Fuck it's been forever since I've used quotes

(Edited by Jotun at 4:01 pm on July 14, 2009)

I agree that a lot of great RP is RP that is started without a weapon.  I disagree that no one walks that line these days.  I know of a few characters, obviously I don't want to call anyone out, but a few characters who definitely cause drama and problems without weapons.

However, if you feel as though no one is doing that with you, then don't sweat it.  Just continue profiting from the problems of others, manipulating, building your rep and prestige (or the opposite if that better fits your goals).

I think what some characters these days are lacking.. is a good, strong, nearly impossible to achieve, long term goal.

At one point, my characters long term goal was to own a business.  A lot of work went into that.  And eventually I made it happen.  (success)

At another point, his long term goal was to get the Judges off Red for good.  Months and Months went into this.. and he failed. (fail)

At another point his long term goal was to make another character accept MY terms for a peace (it was very unlikely).  Months of RP.  Some involving killing, some involving simply fucking with each other through intermediaries. (fail)

At another point it was to join the Sinners and eventually take them over (fail).

At another point his goal was to create his own gang.  Which he did.  Now we have the Snakes.  (success)

At one point he wanted to befriend the most dangerous person in the Mix.  Earn there trust.  Work for them.  Because his protege.  (success)

All along his goal had been to be -known-.  (sucess) To have a heavy rep.  (success) To be one of the most wanted people in the city (success) And to be well liked by all the Mixers (epic fail).

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All of these things, these motivations, they gave the character a dynamic aspect, they made him real to me, and when he's real to the player, he becomes more real to the people that RP with the character.

It also gives you a reason to plot and scheme BEYOND where your going to get rent for next week, or who you can take out to afford a new gun.

It gives you a reason to be devious, to befriend people who you plan on betraying later, to lay the groundwork for things to come.

I think -everyone- including myself needs to take a look at their character and layout some nearly impossible long term goals (nearly impossibe so you really have to work for them, not 'i want to kill 10 people' or 'i want to become a terra agent'. THINK BIG.  It should be, 'I want to become the biggest mass murderer in history', or 'I want to run TERRA').

If you already have long term goals, ADD MORE.  If you dont' have any, make some up.  It will befefit you, your character, the rest of the people you RP with, and the game as a whole.

Quote: from Nemisis on 7:42 pm on July 16, 2009[br]I agree that a lot of great RP is RP that is started without a weapon.  I disagree that no one walks that line these days.  I know of a few characters, obviously I don't want to call anyone out, but a few characters who definitely cause drama and problems without weapons.

Come to think of it, you're right. I was pretty self-centred in assuming I was the only one who played in that way; I've remembered at least one other character during my guy's lifetime who was inventive and made cool things happen without taking the basic approach.

I think playing in this way can be quite important, and admirable. The long-term goals thing is another very good idea which my characters never used as much/well as they could have.

Hope my new character can live up to all this XD

Quote: from Lena[br]
I'm also going to be jealous of the stats that allow someone to slaughter/pickpocket/steal from a character older than them.

Quote: from Jotun[br]
You really shouldn't be. �His stats are a product of the way he plays as well as yours, that's all that is. �You jealous of one of his stats, invest in yours accordingly.

Excuse the double-post, but I just picked this out from the multi-quote mess of Jotuns post (multiple quotes always been a bitch on this relic)

Lena's point stands, the stat and UE system is horrendously "age" oriented, I know because I've worked with it extensively and argued that it needed changing. Play style and how you invest your UE is a very minor factor, as little as a couple of weeks worth of UE difference in relative stat/skill sets is all it takes to make the older character unbeatable by a younger character. So when it comes to facing up against chars with months or years on you, you're pretty much screwed.

Sure, you can get lucky if you play a certain very narrow band of skills with your UE, invest like a bitch and catch your opponent on his weak side. Or you can chase the high end of the curve which narrows the playing field for the serious oldbies to play in, but until you get up there you're basically a whipping boy.

Combat scrapes by with reasonably variable results because I made relatively high use of the critical/fumble system which I had to add on the sly because I was told not to touch the stat/skill system. I've run the numbers on this very extensively, had tests that ran thousands of stat checks and created comparisons of the results to demonstrate how bad the problem was, but nobody wanted to listen.

Off topic I know, but Lena is very right on that point. (Although there is an interesting flaw that's been added to combat that seriously skews everything if you know what was disabled, what it effects and how to abuse it... Be glad I don't play combat chars. :) I've demonstrated it once, as mentioned in my previous post. ;))

(Edited by Rastus2 at 6:34 pm on July 17, 2009)

But then again like I said I am in totally worn out and may have mis-read all of this becuase of agonizing pain becuase i picked a bad spot to get some ink done lol.

Goodnight.

I made a point out of attacking and killing older characters or uber NPCs when I was just a player.  

It takes RP, scheming lying, deceit, and a bit of luck.  It's possible and it's fun.

That's the point of it. Your stats and skills revolve around your character, not the other way around.  Set your shit up accordingly and go out there to have fun.  Wanna be fluffy, do it. Wanna be a murk monster, do it. Wanna be somewhere in between, which all of us are--there really aren't so many people playing utter extremes--do it!

Want to try to break the mold and play a different style of character than Mix thug, corpie, TERRA bitch, Judge Killer, Judge, etc? Do eet!

I'll have to agree with Slither there about defining some long term IC goals, and base these goals in part on the history that you created to help drive the character.  Sometimes those goals along with some decent RP will help slog through the rough times when all you can do is log on and walk around the Dome looking for shit to do.

And I've got to agree with Bio here about taking on more reputable, powerful, older, etc. characters. Find a way to do it, and if you can't, find a way to fuck with them.  It's not about the end result, it's about the fun you have while making the attempt.  That's the stuff of great RP.  

If' you've got a newb char, fucks sake jump into the RP and start pushing your char's agenda. Don't sit around for ten weeks upping stats and doing Acme/Brucie runs just because you don't think you've got what it takes to make a play for some sort of success.  

Most of all, have some fucking fun.  If you're having fun being fluffybunny cuddly or killing everything that moves and everything in between, do it, and respect the IC responses from others based on your actions.  Just because things don't go the way we expect doesn't mean said things shouldn't happen and are unfair... or something...

Bleh! I ran out of steam!  There's my bit for the thread.

2CH,

Grim

If I'm the one who misunderstood what you wrote than I hereby apologize.

I can't decided it that's a feeble trolling, straw man or just pure dumbshittery.

but if your going to call me a dumbshit, moron, or any other name, espically one that implies you think I'm stupid, then please take the time to proofread your post for fucks sake, cause that's either the ugliest sentence I've ever seen, or I really am a dumbass with no comprehension of grammar, who knows, I didn't really do that well in english anyway so maybe I'm the only one who thinks that looks like alphabet soup.

If someone says or does something ICly you don't like, then react IC. If they talk shit OOC, then you've won. You've given them RP so intense that it has fucked up their day IRL.

Either that or they're oversensitive, so hand then a razor, some tight pants and send them to the bathtub.

If you care what people think of you/your character OOCly, then get another razor for yourself.

This is an RPMOO. You come here to RP and have fun. If you make OOC friends, so much the better. If not, big deal.

Quote: from Rastus2 on 5:20 pm on July 22, 2009[br]

Dude, that's so, like, alphabet soup or something! PROOFREAD MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU DO IT?

Toung.

Gee, I wonder why.

Look like I said maybe I misunderstood you and I apologize for that.  My last post not only had nothing to do with you, I'm pretty sure you don't even totally know what I was getting at with it, so please stop the name calling and the fight picking.  I'm done, I've got better shit to do than argue with you or anyone else about words and bruised egos on some posting board, even if it is in a place I love and take very seriously.   Unless we're going to start posting back on topic please consider this my last response to you, and if you ever use your name calling tactics tward me in the future, rest assured you, and anything you say will be fully ignored.