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Quick/Lite/StreetTerm flavor RP.
I feel like horror tonight, babe.

Heya, folks.

I've been thinking lately, regarding the various renditions of Grid-devices, that perhaps they are more than a quick link between you and the one forum that exists.

Maybe you feel like linking up with a friend and battling it out in a game of HoloPong, or a game of Virtual Blackjack on the corner? It's a late night, you're riding the mag-lev to wherever you're going, so you decide to search the Grid for a media-stream node to catch one of the latest horror trids? Hell, maybe you just feel like blasting some tunes on those shoddy ass speakers of yours?

These are all things that could potentially add a little flavor to idling RP, or RP in general.

Obviously a StreetTerm might not allow you to stream any trids, or play games, but a QuickTerm might let you utilize its hardware to run a few low quality vidyas. A LiteTerm would probably allow streaming in crisp quality too!

When it comes to the Progias, maybe there are a few mobile games available. Barely any for the 7, considering its shitty display, but maybe something like Snake back on the old Nokia 3310s, and something fresher for the modern models.

Just looking for opinions from the community, to see whether this'd fit the theme or not.

I think this isn't really themely for what Sindome wants to portray, and I even think this could lead to potential situations for powergaming, because, as the players, we aren't empowered to say what device has the ability to do what things. Every player would have a different perspective whether a QuickTerm can do things that a LiteTerm have and viceversa. This is why it's much better to keep it arcane and understand that what you see is what you get, nothing more, nothing less.

If you want to listen to music, it'd make much more sense in our world, a world with its own technology, culture and politics, to go to the KMB and form a crowd, and roleplay the background music. There are even real, active characters in the game world that do live music shows, there are musical instruments, guitars, keyboards, etc. that will allow you to roleplay it LIVE instead of just pretending it is there in a QuickTerm, when it's really not. You want to play a game? There's new systems that allow you to play chess, strategery, pool, go, cards (allowing you to create your own rules). There's no need to roleplay an 'imaginary' game when you CAN go out and interact with real people and add those games as part of your RP, the RP that matters: conflict and interaction with other characters.

I know with 'flavor RP' you meant just idle, generic emotes about you using your QuickTerm to play games and whatnot, but speaking about theme, I also think it would make sense for the corps to provide you the devices only to satisfy your most basic needs: communications, mail, news, a board, and whatnot (not to mention Cerberus said there's a pending revamp on the Grid). They don't want you to spend your time playing games or accessing mass entertainment mediums because they want YOU to be productive and make chyen for them. If this were to exist, I believe it should be available only for citizens of Blue, and not popular knowledgement of the rest of the Mixer scum. As a rule of thumb: the future (or, the retro-future) is a terrible place.

Plenty of corpie kids need entertainment and thats all cheddar cheddar cheddar. What holds back Withmore is the lack of the matrix, where all the games are developed for. VR is king. See Also: Super Happy Fun Land (when its fucking working).

Once SHFL is stable, the code can go wider and you might find unique games in places. :)

First of all, thanks for your detailed and thorough input, villa!

"Every player would have a different perspective whether a QuickTerm can do things that a LiteTerm have and viceversa. This is why it's much better to keep it arcane and understand that what you see is what you get, nothing more, nothing less."

You've got a good point, but at the same time I don't see why a potential powergame outlet should be dealt with by not letting players who do use it wisely take the blame, especially when its something minor as powergaming your high-score in a game or something.

"If you want to listen to music, it'd make much more sense in our world, a world with its own technology, culture and politics, to go to the KMB and form a crowd, and roleplay the background music. There are even real, active characters in the game world that do live music shows, there are musical instruments, guitars, keyboards, etc. that will allow you to roleplay it LIVE instead of just pretending it is there in a QuickTerm, when it's really not."

Live concerts are great for RP, they really are, and I'd definitely prefer to go one over listening to a janky pirated copy of the same song on a battered QuickTerm. But how is a band supposed to sell their music if nobody has a device that they can listen to it on, you know? They could create their own Grid-node to stream their songs for a fee to other Grid users, and bootlegs could be spread on cheap data-drives. Just because there is no code in place for this, I'd love to see someone hawk illegal bootlegs of a band's songs just outside the venue. It'd definitely add to the RP.

"You want to play a game? There's new systems that allow you to play chess, strategery, pool, go, cards (allowing you to create your own rules). There's no need to roleplay an 'imaginary' game when you CAN go out and interact with real people and add those games as part of your RP, the RP that matters: conflict and interaction with other characters."

Chess, strategery, pool, go, cards are all great, and I appreciate that they're in the game, coded and all. It'd just be a lot of fun to see a couple of Mixers battling on the corner, playing a round of Pong or something. The way to determine a winner would be up to the RPers, as in if your character is good at video games, they'll probably win. Hell, you could even write up your own game and rules on the forums, maybe even produce it IC if you've got the fitting skills.

"I know with 'flavor RP' you meant just idle, generic emotes about you using your QuickTerm to play games and whatnot, but speaking about theme, I also think it would make sense for the corps to provide you the devices only to satisfy your most basic needs: communications, mail, news, a board, and whatnot (not to mention Cerberus said there's a pending revamp on the Grid). They don't want you to spend your time playing games or accessing mass entertainment mediums because they want YOU to be productive and make chyen for them."

What about mass-produced addictive games for the QuickTerm full of micro-transactions that allow you to progress? An NLM media-node that's Pay-to-View? A wageslave stereotype that drones all day long only to come home and blow it on addictive media-streaming sounds very themely to me.

@villa I haven't been around. Where and when did Cerberus say "there's a pending revamp of the Grid"? It would be quite a change to development priorities.

A few days ago on ooc-chat, the Staff mentioned there were plans to work on the Grid to make it more 'useful'. I believe that discussion surged from an idea a player posted on the BgBB about being able to hack the grid, steal money from it, etc. The Grid would have more of a 'social network' approach so players can interact with each other more easily, and actually give them a reason to use the Grid first before giving them means to hack it. The main problem is that the Staff doesn't have a dedicated web developer, and there's always the problem of converting all the existing content in the current Grid (currently supporting the dinosaur that is ikonboard) to a new system. I don't think it was too important on the infamous to-do list anyways.

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I've been doing something lately regarding my initial ideas, and realized that I'm slowly starting to agree more and more with villa. The Grid isn't supposed to be like the Matrix, that's the whole point, I suppose, and the lack of this functionality might be something that eggs a player on to try and change how things work ICly, creating some pretty neat RP.

So thanks, villa, for helping me come to another understanding of the general usage of the Grid and what surrounds it.

some thinking* egh.

I actually have a question along these lines - How low-tech exactly is the Grid? Is it mostly text-only? Can you send music files over it? Can you find images on it and get those screen-printed (assuming you have access to that sort of thing)? Movies? Old movies? Holo recordings?

I've tried poking around in person and mostly I've just seen the IC boards and the maps. I know it's useful to keep this stuff slightly vague, but I'd like to be able to know if I can handwave stuff like doing research or acquiring text/images for print by saying it was done on the Grid without sounding weird.

Used to be, handwaving of that type was not objected to, and as done somewhat regularly to support RP. Typically, it was limited to images rather than multimedia, certainly not holo resolution. The notion of getting video, movies or music from the grid was never a very strong one. Images? Sure. You can still find IC content where the text of a photograph was copied into a grid node or grid forum post, to represent and work around the fact that actual image files can't be uploaded to the real-life web application which is the in-character grid.

I feel like lately (say, recent few years) the tolerance for handwaving has been greatly reduced, but I also feel like it's an ask-for-forgiveness-not-for-permission type of thing. I don't like seeing people told to "don't roleplay that way".