Changing this forum over

Johnny and Kevlar have heard a lot of complaints lately about people feeling they haven't been heard, that they are being purposely ignored, etc. We admins hear a lot of advice, some of it friendly, and some of it just whining and bitching, about things being unfair, and things being done in the wrong order.

In order to try and address the need for better and more honest communication between players and admin, the decision has been made that we need a forum where people can talk about what they think are the main problems on the game, and what stuff they think needs to be done, in what order. �Johnny has recommended that anyone who is going to react defensively avoid this forum, and he himself will not be reading it.

The hope for this forum is "repurposing the in game help forum to a complaints forum with a hope of getting people to state the perceived problems without things getting defensive and offensive"

Hear that? You're -allowed- to complain. We -hope- you'll complain. Note that Johnny and Kevlar don't moderate this forum. If you wish to raise issues about the game, whatever they may be, GMs will read them and communicate what the players are saying. Consider this a giant suggestion box.

Basically, the players and the admins here have a symbiotic relationship that has been suffering as of late. We need each other. The players should be glad that the game is here for them at all, free, with all the work going into it to meet their needs. At the same time, the admins should have gratitude toward the players for being the Beta testers who can tell us what this game needs to really come alive and be the best it can be. Let's hope this forum makes that motive more clear and allows people the 'freedom of speech' they often seem to feel they are lacking.

Expect that you will be heard and answered rationally and calmly, without it affecting your position in the game or your relationship with the admins. I hope that everyone will feel comfortable in doing this. �GMs are also welcome to vent frustrations of their own here, cause trust me, it can get frustrating.

Things that will be removed:
Personal attacks against people instead of ideas (ie Bobby is such a fuckin moron he can't tell which way is up. Why should we believe a word he says?)
Things that stray way off topic

From this time on, this forum will be moderated by Jinkorei, Sable, and myself.

And since it might be hard to get a topic like this going, let's start with discussing what we think of the new forum itself.

Do you think it's a good idea? Do you think it can work? Feel free to start new topics to bring up any of your own concerns.

Quote: from Protagonist on 4:44 pm on July 12, 2003[br] With regard to 'Personal attacks against people instead of ideas' in this new forum, I personally think that if it is meant to allow for 'freedom of speech' and is 'recommended that anyone who is going to react defensively avoid this forum' that players should be able to voice not their dislike for other players as that would be an attack, but dislike for their actions, beliefs regarding Sindome, postings, basically the nature of their Sindome OOC presence.
It is apparent that some players feel the need to call others Twinks etc, and so provided that they do so with some decency I personally think that it should be allowed. Of course real player problems are addressed by admin, but with the wish to prevent players from 'feeling they haven't been heard, that they are being purposely ignored', to express their uncensored but relevant opinion, it might be a good idea.

While freedom of speech is most definately encouraged, freedom of speech on the topic of 'what the main problems of the game are' is the purpose of this particular forum.

I'd like to think that we as GMs would deal with a player long before they become 'a main problem of the game.'

I think we've all seen in the past, where a thread becomes a sparring match between two (or more) people.

Complaining about other players publicly doesn't help anyone, and it's not particularly productive. �It can also lead to quite a bit of OOCness.

So, in the interest of ensuring that players are not 'feeling they haven't been heard, that they are being purposely ignored', and that they are allowed 'to express their uncensored but relevant opinion' …

If you have a complaint to lodge against another player, for whatever reason
If you want to vent about another player.
If you want to call someone a twink ...

e-mail it to [email protected].

However, I'll ask you to back up your complaint, allegations and accusations with evidence, specifically, logs.

Individuals who are indeed acting contrary as to what is expected, will be treated accordingly, and the complaining player will be informed that action has been taken.

What about the removal of help and my other (in my opinion) more valuable comments.

W00t, 300 posts.  And stuff.

It is not the admin's responsibility to puppet NPC's. That's the GM's job, and there arn't enough to do it as often as you would like.

Unidle admin don't gaurentee a puppet. It requires a free GM. The admin have other responsibilities, and puppet only when they're able. Please don't expect otherwise. If the admin didn't do their jobs (which isn't puppeting), the GM's couldn't do theirs (which is).

If you want to complain about something in relation to this, complain about the shortage of GM's, not the lack of admin puppeting.

-Kevlar

Granted, this may be caused because of a lack of GMs, then again, maybe it isn't.

I know for certain that I've had some minor questions for NPCs, even offered to pay them for answers… mxiers from Red... money... they'd jump at the chance. I didn't get a no, I didn't get a response. Granted, again, maybe GMs aren't on... but I saw several admin unidle on the @who.

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admin aren't obliged to, but they always could puppet.

Sounds to me like you expect admins to puppet. I was only pointing out that's not what they're here for, so don't expect them to.

Admins have a hard enough job as it is. The solution is not for admins to do more of the GM's tasks than they allready do. The best course of action we've found is for the admins to do LESS of the GM's job. The problem lies solely in the lack of GM's, not in the amount of admin puppeting.

I'm not even going to waste time quoting myself saying exactly what Kev just said when he tried to rebuttle my post.

You said admin should puppet more. I'm saying experience has taught us admin should puppet less and admin more. How thoes two are 'exactly' the same I'm at a loss to tell.

-Kevlar

-Kevlar

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Secondly. I won't mention names, but there is some IC nature to this… I'll try to keep that out as much as possible. There are other players, who aren't just getting responses, but dragged, and 'saved' (I won't say how), by NPCs in several forms. How is it that when someone walks up and asks a NPC for sometime and some questions, that they don't even get the decency of a puppet attempt or a message saying: Come back later. Yet... other players are dragged, revived, saved from death, and then get MORE help in other forms... WITHOUT EVEN ASKING?

I think I know the instance you're speaking of here, and I'd just like to say I think it was handled the way it shuold have been. Not becuase the said character was saved by an npc and got to live, but becuase of the way it happened. Where that character died, there was a NPC whose job as that npc is to report trouble and protect the peace, if what happened then had happened IRL  it would have been taken care of the same. The person would be taken to the IRL counterpart of the NPC that revived the character and so on. Now i think you feel it was unfair the way the character was able to get out of the situation they  entered into with the other PC. But i think it was handled, again, the way it should have been. And I'm sure you think I'm being biased, but I'm doing this by placing myself in the observer's seat. Not the players. And given the situation, the way the character at hand escaped the situation was perfect. They were able to out pay the NPC. Given that character's role in the game they had the resources available. Sure it seems unfair to you, but thats the nature of CP. Its run by greed, money is the key to anything.

Now you prolly wonder why the puppet was given in that situation when in others it might not be. But you already said that you understood they watched certain characters to further their plots, sub plots and to add to the manipulation. Theres also a post that says they're trying to enhance the corpie game play to promote corpie characters versus the abundance of mixer characters. The majority of my RP before late, was with puppeted NPCs. This is due to the lack of  a corpie playerbase.

I think thats all i have to say

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