Charismatic my ass

So I�m sittin in The Drome playing my new char and having a good old time. By myself. There was a reported 12 online and of that, zero could be found for at least an hour and a half. So I do what any other RP hungry person would do and spoof a harem around me. All of a sudden I�m voided. So I ask the friendly admin �yes?� and I get the response �Whats wrong with you?� From here on I will abbreviate the conversation so that the general gist is gotten, this is not all verbatim, word for word. It turns out that RPing a harem isn�t allowed and only GMs are allowed to play characters that deal with CP culture and history. For instance, the New Rose and Drome Bar are both taken directly out of 2 different Gibson novels, as well as a new area that will remain unmentioned. Another example is the Globe�s editor, Mr. Jamerson. Anyone read up on Spiderman comics or watch the movie lately? Guess who Peter Parker�s boss is�J. Jamerson. So I�m told I have to change my chars name and description because I�m going along too closely with CP history and that the Admin are allowed to do such things cuase it�s theier job to make us, the players, more comfortable in our CP environment. Give us landmarks to recognize. �Bullshit. I feel that as long as a person doesn�t copy a character verbatim and act that character out in the same plots that the original author did, then it should be okay. There�s other players out there who have used some of Gibson�s other Ideas. I�m not going to mention them because I�m trying to keep this within the confines of the rules of the BgBB as much as possible. The only thing about my character that is of Gibson�s mind is his name and facial qualities. Everything else is all original. His history, and his way of acting is completely original. When I made this character I did it with the honest intentions of bringing a semi familiar face of CP into the game. I didn�t mean to �rip� the character out of his Gibsonian state and copy his plots. I merely wanted to RP someone who people could recognize as being a CP person.

Which brings me to my next point, Charisma �

Personally, I hate the charisma stat. I hate it I hate it I hate it. Codewise it has good uses: getting dicked over by npc�s, getting assraped by the market dealers, smelling good, among others. But RP wise it sucks a hairy nut sack. Charisma IRL is not something that a person wakes up in the morning and says, �I want to be charismatic today.� No. Charisma is something that one develops by interacting with others. Examples of charismatic people include Hitler, Martin Luther King, Jr., and others. Both of these examples are on completely different side of good and evil, but �both- were great leaders and very fucking charismatic. They had the ability to sway the mass�s opinion because of the way that they acted. A charismatic person does not walk all slunched over and timid, constantly looking around paranoid. They walk tall, proud, as if they have a purpose. And you don�t have to be fucking rich to be charismatic, as long as you can walk the walk and carry yourself. Some of the most charismatic people base their lives on bluffing. But they RP it out so damn good no one knows. I know of one instance where a player with a new character was sitting in the Drome like he owned the place and another newb came in saw the way the other acted and told him �You look like you�ve got connections� when in fact it was that character�s first day in the city. That�s Charisma. I was nearly heartbroken when I was voided for this reason. This particular admin told me �Do not RP past you stats. Ever.� I completely disagree with this in every way. �Stats should not govern the RP between PC�s. There have been countless posts about people being too worried about their stats to get any good RP done. But when someone stops letting their stats govern their RP they get voided. When I asked why I was voided for spoofing a harem I was told �Look at your stats.� I said �Ok.� I was then told �now read the definition for charisma in @help stats� This appalled me. Yes that�s fine and dandy for NPC dealings, but if we�re to let our stats govern our RP then I�m going to do what the admin don�t want us to do and sit in my bloody coffin for two weeks logging on just long enough to get my 3 UE a day so I can up the stats I need upped. �If I do that, that�s 3 UE a day and 14 days�so aobout 42 UE, that�d up my charisma I�d say, wouldn�t you? �I believe Aikao posted on the BgBB aobut how people need to forget about their skills and stats when it came to RP, and if I recall he had a few nods of agreement from the GM�s. So Why is it that if I try something new and rely on my RP abilities instead of my stat abilities I�m told I have to stop and change to prevent any quarrels? I mean Max challenged everyone to use PC resources instead of NPC resources. That�s all I�s trying to do.

I�m out.

First you say play beyond the stats, their just for NPC shit, it shouldn't govern your RP with PCs

Then you say play completely restriced by your stats, if your unpleasent then damnit make people want you to go away.

 I believe Aikao posted on the BgBB aobut how people need to forget about their skills and stats when it came to RP, and if I recall he had a few nods of agreement from the GM�s.

Like i said before.

Why shuold we not be able to RP how charasmatic we are?

-Tool

PS
And -if- i do change my rp until i get my charisma up to where i can use it that way, why must i change my char's name and description? That part of the post was completely over looked.

(Edited by Tool at 9:20 pm on May 15, 2003)

Which makes for GREAT RP.

-Kevlar

-Tool

Hopefully I did not come across as being a dick or whiney. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to understand your alls reasoning. I do now. Thank you.
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Now may I please have an answer regarding the name and description of my character?

-Tool

Once again, Kevlar has gauged my geekness precisely.

I loved selling my organ(s)! (Ha! Ha!)

By the way, Tool....in Spider-Man it ain't Jamerson, it's J. Jonah Jameson (no r). Jamerson is a company that makes vitamins AFAIK. And New Rose Hotel isn't novel, it's a short, and also a very confusing movie (if you haven't read the short) with some really great actors (and one great japanese artist who's apparently in there just for kicks).

And charisma is not a useless stat - it's just like intelligence. The only problem is, there are skills that use INT, but none that use CHA. But at the base of the matter, it's still the same principle. Sure, you can play intelligently, just like you can play charismatically, but if you don't raise your stat…well, you're inconsistent with your character as he stands. Actually, at chargen, getting decent charisma is not a bad idea, especially considering that Bruce runs a bit on it. And you need the Bruce.
Besides, do you really like having your character smell like shit?

You know, it really is great to poke your head in the sewers real quick-like and still smell like your aftershave when you come out.

out of curiosity, what did you do with those items and the choruse room?

-Tool

*ahem*..  I would like to discuss in private with an admin some of the stats and how they should be implemented into RP..

Many seem to emcompass incredibly broad definitions of the single words we are given to work with.

Also..  how high is high enough?  For roleplaying stats the way you feel your character should roleplay them.

Also..  which stats/skills should we up first?  We can't very well increase them all, all at once.  Some are of more importance to the character's personality and/or ability than other (more behind-the-scenes) stats/skills.

Reply to this post if you wish, but keep in mind that I want to have an in-depth conversation about this, and will most likely not reply to this thread again.  Thank you.

And luck would be hard to raise to emphasise this being CP, and things not being easy?

Hmm, well that's what I thought when I first came across them, maybe you're right though.

Quote: from Murphy on 2:05 pm on June 7, 2003[br]Ah, but we aren't given single words to work with - help stats reveals the existence of 'sub stats', and it seems as though every stat is split into two substats (except Luck and STR, which is probably why they cost so much to raise, STR probably = Muscle, and Luck is just luck. Which is why we end up with 11 substats instead of 14)…

...  Again, appearance and charm are still pretty broad, and very subjective (what I find attractive or charming is not necessarily what others will) - but no system can encompass -everything- objectively, it's just not possible.

Yes, but we are not permitted to increase our substats seperately in any way or fashion.  Hence the reason I wish to speak with an admin privately.  Unfortunately, my MOO client no longer functions properly, and no one who is interested in speaking with me seems to be connected to AIM at the moment.

Quote: from Aikao on 12:28 am on June 8, 2003[

Yes, but we are not permitted to increase our substats seperately in any way or fashion. �Hence the reason I wish to speak with an admin privately. �
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Why speak to an admin privately? If you want to discuss how certain stats should be implemented into RP, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the community and game as a whole to do it publically?