Disguise

What I think players should pay more attention to is uncoded disguise. Obviously, if I'm wearing a Shi helmet/Judge helmet/Ski mask/etc under a shroud with mirror shades and funny glasses over it, you're not gonna recognize me, but you can still see the user name, and people don't seem to pay attention to that…

I would hate trying to lay low, wearing tons of junk to hide my obviouse details and features that set me apart from the other 65000000 people in Withmore, and some guy who talks to me sometimes walks up on me and starts to chat like he knows me :p

Basically the concept is when Joe Decker walks into the bar, not everyone turns and nods and says 'Hi'. Instead they wait for Joe Decker to pose his entrance, and respond accordingly (or not at all as the case may be). This gives the person an opertunity to place himself in the room (IE walking through the door, running through it, falling half dead into it, etc.) and describe his immideate disposition as viewed from the outside world.

I try and do it myself, because it clues people in that they're not just having a friendly conversation with a fellow MOOer… they're dealing with a stranger who dosn't know you, who hasn't looked at you, who is no where near you, who isn't heading in your direction (or maybe he is?) and has an agenda of his own beside being friendly to strangers sitting in the bar halfway accross the room seperated by a throng of half-drunk patrons.

The other day I got props on my entrance pose... It was something like:

<Person> storms through the entrance to the bar and starts shoving his way through the assembled crowd.

But this could equally be used to communicate that the person is otherwise disguised.

<Person> slips just inside the door and stands by the entrance, letting the door close quietly behind him. His face  and head is completely covered by a ski mask, covering evey feature except his eyes, which are hidden behind some mirrorshades.

This at  least gives people a clue that your not here to yap the day away, and will hopefully prevent thoes who would quickly pose nodding to you from making a social faux-pax. (Personally I can't stand it when people nod to you the instant you enter the room, especially a crowded room, while their sitting at the bar and your not, but that's another topic)

It of course dosn't change the fact that if you talk to someone you should take a good hard look at them FIRST.

I'm always amazed when people have long conversations with people, and then the instant they leave the room they can't describe a single feature of their person. That to me is VERY poor RP.

-Kevlar

But as in real life, depending on the context a person could connect the dots. You aren't invisible all the time you wear a shroud and doing certain things that you do normally would lead a person to think, even more when they know you, who you hang out with and how you behave.

On a shroud you still have the same mass, the same height and most of the times you walk/talk/act the same way. It's not like a vest of anonimousity +5, disguise isn't just a skill it takes RP to make it credible.

But to really explain some things I'd seen, I'd have to go IC. So I'm going to leave it at look before you act, and don't punk out on makeing the connection (IE acting like you know their habits when you have hardly played with them, for example)

Edit: Also, does everyone really know everyones exact mass and height? I mean…c'mon, I don't even know my own.

(Edited by Biohazard at 4:17 pm on Dec. 10, 2004)

But yeah, junk like that is just wrong.  A few times I've seen people make OOC comments, and as soon as the players in the room saw the nice green OOC text, they began their search. A big wtf to that.

Like, if I'm at a room, where I'm hidden.  And, I sneak n e e n s e w e w e e e.  And some of those rooms are rooms you can't hide in..  is it alright to still use the command? Beacuse I feel bad when I sneak through a room, but I don't wanna walk into that room, have to stop, then sneak out and into the next room, type deal.

On the whole searching thing.. or noticing someone is there thing.. when they are hiding.. Yeah, if your in the Drome, or on the street, a phone ringing really isn't going to cause you to go into a fit of paranoia and lead you to search the room.  I think it's totaly feasible to be in the -same- room as someone, and talking to them on the phone, without them knowing your there.. or you knowing they are there.  

If your continuing to experience issues I suggest you make a private email to the administration at [email protected] bugging them to fix it.

It'll probablly have to wait until after the new year though…

-Kevlar

Anyway I still feel that like in hotel rooms when there are only two people maybe just a slient feature for your phone so it doesnt ring but you can still make outgoing calls when you run away. But -just- silent feature.

Can someone address hiding and taking pictures of people in a crowded bar while we're at it?

As for @nakeds.  I think they are the way to go.  For awhile I didn't have anything described in @describe, but Bixby mentioned I should have something there.  (I think it was Bixby anyways.)  Height and Build are things you don't really have a place in @nakeds for.  Skin color.. now that I think about it, it probably should go in @describe.

(Edited by Nemisis at 6:34 pm on Jan. 6, 2005)

In my opinion when you use a title like 'Shrouded Bob', don't expect that to be the same as being 'a shrouded person'.  It's the same as using the title 'Agent' or 'Judge', it's just to alert people of something that in real life, they would notice right away, but because of our text based world you might -not- notice right away.  

My two cents anyways.

The reason I say this, is because I've tried and seen people try to self police themselves, as well as constructivly point out to other players that they might -not- know who exactly I or someone else is, just because they can see the name/they met the person while they were wearing a shroud and three days have passed and they meet them again while they are wearing a shroud and they say 'Well you look the same as last time.'

I know its a tricky subject to make a hard ruling about, but the way it is right now is very up in the air, left up to the individual player with nothing but conversations on the BGBB to use as a basis for a personal decision on the matter.

Because of the lack to cover your tracks, nowadays that can be considered twinkish. When it gets fixed, it will cease to be as it was the character's fault.

But there is always xhelp for this kind of troubles, and if you have the skill high enough and the means to do the task we'll perform the check for you and give you the results.

It has to do with the grid and ambient population, and people being sofa king wee todd it about node Id's and the like.  (Say I make 2 accounts. They both have my ID on them. Person A checks my regular node, and then checks the other account to match them. Now I think that it would be kinda hard to do with the ambient populations nodes.)

Quote: from Biohazard on 9:08 pm on Jan. 23, 2005[br]I think Jotun hit it on the head though in his post.

"Seriously, unless someone has a spicific mannerism about themself, You would have to have uber godlike omnipitent Perception +5 to auctially be able to tell one shrouded goon from another.(Which yes I realize some of you -think- you have)  "

I agree.  lol

Well, like, what if someone exchanged words with a certain character breifly, none shrouded. They don't interact with this person again, until they get a shroud, and they don't chat it up, they pickpocket the person or something. I see this and the victum useing that one breif exchange of words as a basis for recognition.

Just recently a character my character exchanged words with walked up to him and asked for instructions to something, which my character provided in a friendly non remembering the exchange of threatining meany words that happened 4 weeks earlier.

But it seems everyone has uber memoryx5.

However when that is used as a cop out to identify someone you've never even talked to, maybe seen two or three times, that's where it gets annoying.

And I'm not bitching and moaning about anything really, I understand where it's coming from. I'm just saying..you know?

You can't get upset with that, it's a coded problem and you must deal with it. How many times does someone actually 'look' at the person they are rping with to see if something has changed with them anyways?

I do see your point of view, but this is mine and you must deal with it. Things that have happend have happend. And without revealing any IC info, there are more reasons that what you stated for certian people thinking the way they do. Hope that made sense.