Oldbies

Most of the current characters, aren't at the high-plateau of existence, so don't see what goes on when you hit basically the highest attainable level.

I'm going to relate basically most of this to Gerik, because I know the circumstances first hand about it. I'd appreciate people not taking me as being whiny about my character being fucked.

It all falls down to economy, my generation of older character, did not get given any money, unlike the generation before, and as you do more things, your sources of income are strained.

When Gerik was booted out of NLM, he'd been supporting an apartment and locker, without income for 8 months, and then basically -all- sources of income were closed. Explain to me how a n00b can survive like this, let alone someone with 3/4 of the MOO set to auto-attack them? (Which they don't know about)

Lucifer kept on getting raided (Though tha fucka did horde too much gear).

Moss had trouble doing much of anything, because, despite popular belief, he -wasn't- rich, and was sidestepping shitstorms left right and center..

Murphy can't head down to red without a horde of NPCs because he gets arseraped by the Sinners or Arts, which means he gets basically zero RP.

All of these are ways to cull the top-level players, they had, and still have a harder time, because there's nowhere to go, and it gets progressively harder to do anything worthwhile.

More specifically, the economy sucks, the admin make -zero- visible attempts to fix the complete buttflux it's in, and hand down the bitch-slap of doom and say nothings wrong when it's complained about, the economy -IS- fucked, whether or not you want to believe it or not.

There needs to be -alot- more GM interaction to get money flowing between PCs, and from the off-screen economy into the players until it's at a reasonable level.

CS has more players -because- of this reason, and hold onto their players -because- of this reason, to put it frankly, if I can make 3k on a good day here, but 2500 on a good day there, I'm US$2350 in CS-terms, better off daily.

I almost quit the game out of boredom myself when I was playing Gerik, because I wasn't supposed to go down to red when I was working for NLM, get bitched out if I was packing heat, the main kicker is, and I count at -least- two players this has happened to;

We were ordered by Johnny to not sneak around red, I wasn't informed that all of the gang menace was set to kill me.

That's the other reason you're losing older players, I accept, as do other people, that it has to get harder, but it's been made impossible.

When I've got more time I'll post more, since there's plenty more.

By Lujan at Jul 12, 2003, 7:50 PM | 0

I guartuntee that no Admin has ever made it -impossible- for a character, young or old, to survive. Extremely difficult? Yes. It's cyberpunk. Get over it. When you're a 'n00b', you're new, clean slate, enough opportunity to make your freshly-arrived ears twitch. As time goes on…influence, power, reputation, money..all of these change dramatically; some more than others, some in different directions as the others...and, along the way, sacrifices must be made. Sacrifices that cost you opportunities. Every closed door, was caused by a choice -the character made-. Deal with it. I guaruntee, given Gerik's resources, reputation, etc, he could, if truly trying, had no real trouble developing income apart that from SHI. I guaruntee it. 100%. It is not, never has, and never will be -impossible- for any character to progress in the MOO. Characters who have lasted that long, especially characters with �longevity ranging into years, should know better than to think so.

And as far as your comments about things happening in the GM world..with all due respect, you're not behind the curtains, you don't really know what's going on, and you're not every other player on the MOO, so you shouldn't expect to know what's going on, in entirety.

And there are no 'levels' here. That's merely perception.

(Edited by Legba at 12:27 am on July 13, 2003)

(Edited by Legba at 12:28 am on July 13, 2003)

By Legba at Jul 13, 2003, 12:24 AM | 0

Quote: from Lujan on 10:50 pm on July 12, 2003[br]More specifically, the economy sucks, the admin make -zero- visible attempts to fix the complete buttflux it's in, and hand down the bitch-slap of doom and say nothings wrong when it's complained about, the economy -IS- fucked, whether or not you want to believe it or not.
There needs to be -alot- more GM interaction to get money flowing between PCs, and from the off-screen economy into the players until it's at a reasonable level.

I'll address this part directly as I have been busy in this area.

The key word here, is -visible-.

There has been much effort of late to give the economy a boost. �You'd probably be surprised if I told you how much chyen I've personally pumped into the economy 1-5k at a time, and the amount of RP that has been generated as a result. �And others have been doing the same.

And I believe we've begun to see some results.

New characters haven't been cube crawling anywhere near as much as they have in the past. �Why? �two reasons:

First, they know that there is chyen to be made (and good RP to be had) just being out on the streets. �Some of these characters have even become *gasp* ambitious enough to go -looking- for the people they know have work.

Second, they can now afford a clone sooner, and can update more frequently, so they have less fear of dying.

When you get people out of thier cubes and on the streets, RP ensues.

As RP progresses, contacts are made, and conflict eventually occurs.

As contacts are made, and conflict occurs, business is done.

In addition.

There are many more (coded) jobs available now than ever before.

I can think of at least three PCs have started (and one or two more that are in the process of starting) thier own businesses and in some cases have hired other characters, and they're out there RPing thier asses off to get business.

To everyone who reads this, if it is IC for your character to do so, -support player run businesses-, PLEASE!

Whether the economy is poor or not, is moot. �What is important, is that it is improving, and will continue to improve.

I'll start a thread (and cross post the relevant portions of this) on the state of the economy as it has been a reequent complaint, and we'll ask for your suggestions as to what you would reasonably like to see.

By Jinkorei at Jul 13, 2003, 6:38 AM | 0

Quote: from Legba on 12:24 am on July 13, 2003[br]I guartuntee that no Admin has ever made it -impossible- for a character, young or old, to survive. Extremely difficult? Yes. It's cyberpunk. Get over it. When you're a 'n00b', you're new, clean slate, enough opportunity to make your freshly-arrived ears twitch. As time goes on…influence, power, reputation, money..all of these change dramatically; some more than others, some in different directions as the others...and, along the way, sacrifices must be made. Sacrifices that cost you opportunities. Every closed door, was caused by a choice -the character made-. Deal with it. I guaruntee, given Gerik's resources, reputation, etc, he could, if truly trying, had no real trouble developing income apart that from SHI. I guaruntee it. 100%. It is not, never has, and never will be -impossible- for any character to progress in the MOO. Characters who have lasted that long, especially characters with �longevity ranging into years, should know better than to think so.
And as far as your comments about things happening in the GM world..with all due respect, you're not behind the curtains, you don't really know what's going on, and you're not every other player on the MOO, so you shouldn't expect to know what's going on, in entirety.
And there are no 'levels' here. That's merely perception.
(Edited by Legba at 12:27 am on July 13, 2003)

(Edited by Legba at 12:28 am on July 13, 2003)

Legba, I'll address your post point by point;

How can you guarentee that no character has ever been targetted when it's a known fact that oldbies have been targetted by admin, for severe takedown or perma because admin have disapproved of the way they play, OOCly.

And respectfully, you're smoking crack if you think you can make such wide sweeping statements about the MOO when you've been a $gm, for mere days.

>>I guaruntee, given Gerik's resources, reputation, etc, he could, if truly trying, had no real trouble developing income apart that from SHI. I guaruntee it. 100%.

Or try if roadblocks the size of Jennifer Lopez's arse weren't stacked in my direction every time I moved, you haven't had an oldbie character, you can't comment on it, nor can you make any kind of educated guess into the subject.

You should be wondering why I'm the only player posting these things, to me, the answer is obvious, this forum, shows up as a joke, because the administration won't take on what we say immaterial, if they disagree with us. (Jinkorei, no offense to you, you at least aren't just saying, we're right, you're wrong).

I spent an hour and a half debating civilly with Johnny last night about the subject of my Kevlar/TAFKAR post, none he even conceded was even partially right to my memory (was 3am).

Legba, no, the mag-levs aren't too slow, and yes, wallets are too expensive.

>>And as far as your comments about things happening in the GM world..with all due respect, you're not behind the curtains, you don't really know what's going on, and you're not every other player on the MOO, so you shouldn't expect to know what's going on, in entirety.

I'll tell you what, post when you get out of pre-pubescence, and I might take what you're saying onboard, get the fuck off your high-horse, I've been an admin on numerous MOOs, and a $wizard, you can't even explain how @go works, I'll wager. -You- may have a $builder bit here (Which for the uninitiated, really doesn't do much 'cept for make additions in the form of buildings), but you have a long way to go before you'll be an admin that is within a hairs breadth of being a half decent person in relation to player relations.

I'll re-iteratte this post later when I get the chance.

By Lujan at Jul 13, 2003, 7:22 AM | 0

Lujan, no offense taken.

I will say I know that your statement about the administration not taking seriously what is said here is incorrect, and I hope that the remainder of the player base does not share the view that this forum is a joke.

It is, what it is. �An open forum for players to complain (within the listed guidelines) about what they percieve to be the main problems of the game.

If you can't take Athena's word for it, or mine, or Legba's or Sable's, then until some of the things that get discussed here become implimented, I don't know what else I can do.

Quote: from Athena on 3:19 am on July 12, 2003[br]Things that will be removed:
Personal attacks against people instead of ideas.

The last part could easily be interpereted as a personal attack.

Your dislike for Legba is apparent, and It's obvious you are pissed off about many things and want to vent.

That's part of what this forum is about.

So, how about a deal.

If everyone involved posts in a civil, constructive manner, we can all work towards improving things, (something that I and the other GMs are here to do) and no one will see you as someone who is whining about past actions toward your character.

I won't whack it, but will support Legba's decision to, if he feels attacked, and will not hesitate to delete future personal attacks regardless of the poster.

This is a forum for ideas, problems, solutions and explinations, not insults.

By Jinkorei at Jul 13, 2003, 8:29 AM | 0

I never said they weren't targetted, I said things were never made -impossible-. Once again, I guaruntee, given a character with Gerik's resource, and/or purely his reputation, if you actually tried past the obvious routes, developing income aside from SHI wouldn't be extremely difficult, much less impossible, which is what you are futily trying to say. And if I, lowly moron in pre-pubescence can figure that out, then surely you, oh almighty-oldbie, surely can, if you take 10 minutes to quit bitching, and try and develop a plan.

I've been a GM before, an I will admit my total time spent as a GM probably ranks around a month. A player, a bit over a year.

Neither matter. The point is, even though you completely sidestepped it, and even Jinkorei attempted to point out to you…you're making statements that aren't true, and anyone who had been a GM lately for even 1 day, yes -1 day-, could see completely contrary to what you're saying. So, my time here is completely moot.

But, feel free to attack that facet if it makes you feel better, because your original concern has already been addressed.

And I'm not going to ask that your "personal attack" be deleted, because I frankly don't care.

(Edited by Legba at 9:28 am on July 13, 2003)

(Edited by Legba at 9:31 am on July 13, 2003)

By Legba at Jul 13, 2003, 9:27 AM | 0

wallets do seem to be too expensive.

By Jotun at Jul 13, 2003, 8:25 PM | 0

Quote: from Jinkorei on 9:38 am on July 13, 2003[br]
To everyone who reads this, if it is IC for your character to do so, -support player run businesses-, PLEASE!
I only know only one person who has in my case, at least -tried- to help my character through providing income, personally.
Everyone else is either too poor or too confident that their character is the baddest mofo in the MOO at every single skill.
And that's about as far into this discussion as I can get without spitting IC info about.
Tally-ho. Or something.

By Aikao at Jul 18, 2003, 7:34 PM | 0

Not that I have a player-run business or anything, but yes, I say that players should really try to support player-run businesses instead of relying on code and NPC's. It would really help the economy and player-to-player interactions. ;)

By Kain at Jul 18, 2003, 7:37 PM | 0

Having been here for 3 years, I can definately say I fall into the 'oldbie' catagory. And by oldbie, I mean somebody who has been here a really long time in terms of internet gaming, and the moo itself.

First off, my character has had lots of fun, and thats that. Still does.

Secondly, about mr. Gerik Phillips, there was a reason things were difficult. Past events catch up to you, Bruce doesn't like your face cause you killed some clientel of his a while back, or you have a swarm of pissed off gangers. You've got no players of any means who trust you worth shit because you have proven yourself unworthy, or you just smell too corp for the mix. All this shit adds up. Who the fuck said it gets easier as your god damned stats get better? Why the fuck should it? Every fuckin day you are alive in the dome equals one further step towards the death probability. You make it two and a half years and it's a fucking miracle, and god damn it, you are bucking probability so damn hard at that point you are either a master at dodging the bullet or you know how to vanish without a trace till the heat dies.

IT GETS HARDER! Always will. Life is a rough one in the mix, and the higher you climb, the more mofos you have wanting you offed. Or wanting to ride your coat tails.

ESPECIALLY when you play high profile and high activity.

Like Gerik Did.

Like Murphy does. Like, what the hell do you expect when you become a judge? To have all the people on red love you and say 'hey man, thanks?' You think the gangers are going to be all happy to see you when you step out on the street? I think not. Red is a hell hole, especially for Judges. The park is even worse, and don't even get started about the really shitty parts of the dome. Yes, we the staff understand that Gold isn't 100% developed, but then there is a reason we are in perpetual BETA TESTING. Because, frankly, we don't get paid to do this, and we do what we can. In the recent past and upcoming future, Gold is being fleshed out with a vengence, giving those upper level players more to do, places to hang, corporate intriuge to muck in.

Now, about 'jobs' 'economy' and 'how much you can earn on CS as apposed to SD'

Frankly, if you are unable to earn 2000 chyen a day in Withmore city, something is drastically wrong with you. You must be smelling like a sewer or just retarded. This isn't an insult to people, but come on. Here is a break down for average people to the dome:
2 hours SHI : 200c (the days rent)
3 Bruce runs: 1000-1500c (bonus)
Optional Work: 300-500c/day (this includes corp jobs, theivery, player jobs, ect.)

Frankly, if you can't make 2k in a day of decent roleplaying and working, then you've got bigger issues that code, staff, and the lord almighty himself can't fix. This is, of course, as a newbie. As you get older, tougher, and more powerful, it gets harder, especially if you've in the past been a homicidal maniac, or judge killer, or massive theif, or <insert lowest character moment here>, or, in Geriks case, all of the above. (Judge killer, Judge, Corpie, TV Star, theif, is it little wonder that the guy hit a road block where ever he turned?). And that doesn't even include stuff that the GM's sponsor.

By Iga at Aug 21, 2003, 12:26 PM | 0

Hmm, 3 bruce runs gets me 500-800, bout the only time you get a grand is if you get techronics runs or something. SHI is boring. It used to be ok cause there were other people there. And I log on sometimes with upwards of 10 people on and can't find any of them and even if you can, doesn't mean they have something for you to do that's worth throwing a couple hundred chyen at.
As for thievery, it can quickly eliminate the Bruce option and give you some nice medical bills to pay off.
So, 2 grand a day, doesn't seemthat likely, cept maybe you get lucky days and get a lot more. Anyways, I'm not saying you need to be handing out those 5-10 grand jobs (and when you do, they should be a little harder, I think) but maybe some smaller shit. Just what the dome looks like from where I'm standing.

By Hirononbu at Aug 21, 2003, 1:34 PM | 0

Ahem: Perhaps there is a reason for why you don't seem to be getting that much Bruce money, maybe you are ugly, or smell bad, or are rude, or unlucky, or slow. All those things can affect what you earn.

But, 2k isn't that hard to earn. I've done it, I've seen it done over and over and over. You just have to work a bit yeah?

But, if you wish more small hits of cash out there, I will try. I know Jinko was doing stuff all the time. He's currently busy supporting his family at the moment, but he'll be back soon. :)

By Iga at Aug 21, 2003, 1:46 PM | 0

Bruce and SHI is not the only 'free money giver' in the game.

And I'm not talking about a loan shark either.

-Kevlar

By Kevlar at Aug 21, 2003, 1:48 PM | 0

Quote: from Aikao on 11:34 am on July 18, 2003[br]
I only know only one person who has in my case, at least -tried- to help my character through providing income, personally.
Everyone else is either too poor or too confident that their character is the baddest mofo in the MOO at every single skill.

My character isn't too poor, far from it, and my character isn't a bad mofo either, we just don't seem to log on at the same times much :(. The very nature of our characters may not naturally bring them together also.

I've been trying to get player run businesses flowing for a while, initially just for my character but then considering the general player base.
It seems that some players/characters have problems with purchasing things from characters rather than shops, seeming uneasy about it, which I personally think just doesn't make sense in a cyberpunk world of black-market and even white-market trade.

As for coded jobs, they're abundant and quite nice for those that don't work for corporations.

And regarding Hirononbu's post; Yeah, use your initiative and explore and you'll soon find a lot more money.
I mean, it's been mentioned many times in the BgBB that Bruce's runs do a charisma stat check, and that showering makes a difference. It makes total IC sense, which is why if you consider it in real terms, it's easy to come to such a conclusion without OOC references.

However, jobs for corporations are a very different matter. I can have my character make a nice amount of money from his job, but it requires me to be on my PC a -lot-, and as soon as I go to uni I fear that my character may almost be loosing money, rather than making any.
I'd provide the unbelievable details, but I feel that it will simply endanger my partial anonymity further.
Basically, I believe that until planned changes are made, that all corp jobs should be salary based, with a requirement for the player to spend a certain amount of time RPing, possibly simply with themselves in the work place per week, or they won't get their pay.
I came up with some ideas for simple tasks that the players in such a position could perform, namely submitting design sheets, and project status logs, although I came up with several others.
However, these would still require some admin time to get working right, and I can understand that that time would be chosen to be spent on other more important things, maybe even the planned work change.
So basically, unless some notable trust is given to the players in those situations, they, including myself with suffer.
Hmm, the admins are massively overworked as it is though. I wasn�t initially going to make such a post as most know of the situation, but I guess what I was trying to say is that with effort, both corporate and non coporate characters can survive easily, but possibly some minor although rather different changes made in the corporate sector will prevent people from having major problems for OOC reasons, namely due to that lovely factor, time.
Anyway, I hope that that doesn�t come out as a bitch, as although this is a complaint forum that wasn�t my intent.

PS. Buy and sell more stuff between in each other, and clear that horded junk, go on… ;)

By Protagonist at Aug 22, 2003, 3:42 AM | 0

It seems that some players/characters have problems with purchasing things from characters rather than shops, seeming uneasy about it, which I personally think just doesn't make sense in a cyberpunk world of black-market and even white-market trade.

the reason this is true is because of people getting robbed, there are many ways this happens but let me give you the most common for me I offer to sell this expensive item, you tell me you want to buy it knowing you don't have the money, then when we meet you try to kick my ass and take it.. now am I saying that people shouldn't do this… not really, though it is not smart in my opinion that's just the kinda world sindome is..

to throw in my 2 cents: before I stopped doing runs for burce it was not unheard of for me to get 3 runs in a row to technitronics, in fact it happened alot. netting me around 1500 plus chyen, and my charisma is not that high... and my job now well let's just say it's easy, and I make 2k-10k and more depending on how hard I try, and how long I can work, and that is in anywhere between 15 min, and 2 hours or so... so there's stuff out there. not to say that more is not needed, but there is stuff out there.

By Jotun at Aug 22, 2003, 8:48 AM | 0

Jotun: If you are selling some expensive item, and are walking into a situation with a stranger, and you get your ass kicked, well, who's fault is that.

Maybe you should, you know, pay another player to come as your back up? I know there are a couple real badasses out there in the game who would gladly jump on a chance like that. Toss em 2k to have your back, and pass that billing onto whoever you are selling this nasty item too.

Frankly, people -SHOULD- do the fake meet and beat and steal. It's perfectly natural on RED. IF IT IS IN YOU CHARACTERS NATURE, DO IT!

By Iga at Aug 22, 2003, 9:22 AM | 0

Iga,
with all due respect please re-read what I wrote.

what I said was:
when we meet you try to kick my ass and take it..

active word in that sentence: try (note I am not some badass, but I can, for the most part, defend myself, but I would ask for help if I needed it.)

I also said:
now am I saying that people shouldn't do this… not really,

I am all about doing bad/wrong/evil/taboo/whatever you fuckin want. as long as it is IC like you said.

By Jotun at Aug 22, 2003, 12:46 PM | 0

And don't forget to arrange medical help as well.

There are a few PC docs in the game that have been informed of biz deals going down and have been paid to be ready should the deal go bad.

So let's see …

Take one PC selling something, mix in one PC buying something, add a dash of bodyguard (or two to taste), a sprinkle of medical care, and varying amounts of chyen.

Sounds like a recipe for CP RP to me ...

By Jinkorei at Aug 22, 2003, 12:47 PM | 0

frickin true!

By Jotun at Aug 22, 2003, 12:52 PM | 0

Jotun, dude, you are right, you make my 'English as second language' list.

:P

So what you are saying is (allow me to correct the grammar):

when you say 'now am I saying that people shouldn't do this… not really,'

what you are trying to convey is:

'now I am not saying that people shouldn't do this, not really.'

Correct? Or are you just saying that your char is too tough too take on? Or are you saying that people shouldn't be mugging people?

By Iga at Aug 22, 2003, 3:31 PM | 0

I think that what he tried to do was insert a rhetorical question mid sentence.

So 'now am I saying that people shouldn't do this… not really, though it is not smart in my opinion that's just the kinda world sindome is.. '

Should maybe be 'Now, am I saying that people shouldn't do this? Not really, although it is not smart in my opinion, but that's just the kind of world that Sindome is.'

However, your version also works Iga, and I wouldn't recommend for people to insert rhetorical questions into sentences like that, especially in the grammatically ambiguous way that Jotun did it.

But what do I know? English is my second language :).

PS. Regarding the unnecessarily drawn out debate on the car dealership matter, all I'm going to type is for you all to quit complaining, and understand that the delay exists for OOC reasons, but can easily be taken ICly.

Right, so maybe someone will now actually want to read my latest rambling in the Variable Material Worth topic ;)

By Protagonist at Aug 22, 2003, 4:31 PM | 0

when you say 'now am I saying that people shouldn't do this… not really. though it is not smart in my opinion, that's just the kinda world sindome is.. '

this is what I meant. once again please excuse my english/typing.

typing is my main problem because I get into too much of a hurry, and the puncuation gets all placed wrong. I'm pretty articulate in person... but not when writing/typing.

By Jotun at Aug 23, 2003, 5:38 AM | 0

Quote: from Iga on 3:26 pm on Aug. 21, 2003[br]
Like Murphy does. Like, what the hell do you expect when you become a judge? To have all the people on red love you and say 'hey man, thanks?' You think the gangers are going to be all happy to see you when you step out on the street? I think not. Red is a hell hole, especially for Judges.

Usually, Iga, I agree with you, but this time I say: not quite. First of all, people USED to say 'hey man, thanks' after I saved their behinds. This, of course, was in those horrible, dreary days of SD when the player count would regularly hit 20 and up and everyone had fun. How stupid was that? I mean, geez.

A) Okay. So my character does some high profile shit. He is well-known. He has a rep for wasting large volumes of gangers. He took down one of the worst nasties the Dome's ever known, short of Lucy. So, when he goes down to RED in uniform, why in god's name do NPC gangers (whom he's sent to the tanks more times than anyone here can count) try to attack him? Okay, a large group would. But when my character comes upon one or two, or even three gangers - logically, wouldn't they run? I've seen it RPed this way a few times when some gangers were played by GMs. And sure, they attack in large groups sometimes. I still want to know how they magically beat the SIC blackouts everyone else has to struggle with.

B) So, my character has this huge rep. When he's in uniform. If he's not, nobody short of four or five characters still alive would know him from Adam. Try this: I clear my regular @desc (like so many have), and just go out with my clothes and @nakeds, change my name. 50 bucks says nobody recognizes him. ~90% of players have not seen his face. Of the ~10% who have, half of those saw it for a whole six seconds while he opened a retinal-locked door. I highly doubt the image of his face has been forever burned into their collective psyche. Even your character, Iga, hasn't seen him helmetless since he cleaned up. Even the barkeeps wouldn't recognize him, except maybe Grunen. I'm still wondering how NPCs manage to recognize him even when shrouded. Hell, with the red eyeslots and the shroud, you'd think they'd assume he was Aikao, if he stooped. :aikao:

Limitations of the code? I understand completely. But we're talking ICly here, not codewise.

EDIT: HA! I have you all beat. English is my third language.

(Edited by Murphy at 2:40 pm on Aug. 23, 2003)

By Murphy at Aug 23, 2003, 11:32 AM | 0

I dunno. Ike's a small guy. Speedy and muscular, but still relatively small. Especially compared to pretty much every other male player character in the game. And he usually wears shades to cover up that 'grotesque' feature of his… even though no one seems to notice that he's wearing shades. *cough*..

Yeah, I used to have his eyes in his regular desc. But that was before I knew there was an @naked left and right eye. They should be shown with the rest of the @nakeds in that list...

Something that gets me though.. When you're shrouded and forget to clear your title, or clear your @look_place or something and then everyone knows who you are... -REALLY- fucks up the RP. Especially when people start blabbering about it OOCly to other players.

Seeing as I'm retarded and forget to clear both of these messages QUITE often, shrouds involved or no.. Think there's any possibility that a shroud could clear'em automatically?

By Aikao at Aug 26, 2003, 8:17 PM | 0

I have a MOOside macro for that cos I'm lazy. Clears my @title and @look_place. And I have one to put 'em back, too. They're handy even when not wearing a shroud. Next I think I'll make one for taking off his tights, it takes forever, heh.

By Murphy at Aug 26, 2003, 8:33 PM | 0

yeah before my char decided he no longer wanted a shroud, I would use macros for that stuff too, made it real easy, just wear shroud, then ~shroud,

By Jotun at Aug 27, 2003, 7:43 AM | 0

I think that having ones look_place automatically set or cleared when wearing a shroud will inhibit creativity if it is not implemented as an option that one can set on or off.
If people just take more care when wearing a shroud, and if others that possibly see look_places or titles that should have been cleared but wearn't don't act of the information that it may OOCly provide, there should be no need for a coded solution.
I mean, if someone gave their character's name away by forgetting to clear a look_place etc, when their character description was cleared, and someone then acted recognising them, they'd be massively in fault, and blatantly acting OOC. The name is changed, and so even if someone didn't look at the shrouded characters description (as they should) there wouldn't be any excuse…
Well that's my opinion anyway.
:)

(Edited by Protagonist at 11:04 pm on Aug. 29, 2003)

By Protagonist at Aug 30, 2003, 6:46 AM | 0

Prowling amidst the cliffs, cutting down all who dare stand in the way using a studded crowbar, cometh A Shrouded Tall, Thin Man! And he gives a spectacular howl:

"I'm going to smack you with such reckless abandon, your blood will flow counter-clockwise!!!"

By Protagonist at Aug 30, 2003, 7:06 AM | 0

…okay...

Murphy: touche m'man. But really when you think about it, why would a street rat on Red say hello to you at all? They should be polite and fearful because if you find out that they have gun in there back pocket...a lot of the conversations that I have seen on the MOO don't make a lot of IC sense, But that's the perogative of the players talking. If you as a criminal want to talk to a Judge, go for it. Hopefully it works out for you at some point. :)

Protag...ummm...you scare me man...

By Iga at Aug 31, 2003, 10:17 AM | 0

Quote: from Iga on 1:17 pm on Aug. 31, 2003[br]
Murphy: touche m'man. But really when you think about it, why would a street rat on Red say hello to you at all? They should be polite and fearful because if you find out that they have gun in there back pocket…a lot of the conversations that I have seen on the MOO don't make a lot of IC sense, But that's the perogative of the players talking. If you as a criminal want to talk to a Judge, go for it. Hopefully it works out for you at some point. :)

Oh, I don't expect anyone (short of a handful of peope) to say hello to my character. And a good part of that handful would most certainly not say hello on Red - at least not when he's loaded for bear. I don't expect people he doesn't know to come up and say hello to him either. Unless they want something. Or unless they really dig the tights…um...I mean....FIGHTING TOGS. Hee.

By Murphy at Aug 31, 2003, 11:19 AM | 0

I'll wave next time I see ya on, RED Murf! :wink:

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