The Players II

Legba has a lot of passion for this game, even if he says he doesn't care I don't think it's true. With passion often comes impulsiveness and even harshness or rudeness. You gotta cut him some slack and trust that he's most definitely an asset to the team.

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ATTN: This post is not to "peck a fught"  (pick a fight) with the admin.
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Legba is not the only person on this game who has a passion for it. I think I can say this without fear of contradiction when i say that He is not the only one who has [passion] for this game.  I know I do. And I think most of the oldbies and most of the others not considered olbies are attached to their characters. When players act on their passion for the game after something that seems unfair to twinkish, they often get mad and make a post aobut what happened or xhelp it to the admin. And often the admin reply is negative toward the person making the comment.

NOW the tables are turned. Legba is making a complaint due to his passion for the game. The players are now in the role of the admin when the players make a complaint. Legba has now recieved the negative reactions from the posting majority of the players. and the admin ask us to "cut him some slack". I dont think I recal a time when the admin asked another admin to cut a player some slack when filing a complaint.

In Fact, I vividly remember a time when a player lost his characters life due to the twink-y-ness (r) of another player.  In the given instance, the players post was deleted, editied by a certain admin, and then posted as "How not to critique RP".  This post made the given player look like a jackass, a fool, and an ignorant twit. However, many players agreed with the poster in his/her views, they were just too afraid to post such a straight-foreword view against the defendent.  When this happened there were 6 replies. 3 of which were admin supporting the admin at hand. Of the other 3, 1 has been banned and there fore void. Another made a comment completely irrelevant to the subject of the post. And the 3rd non-admin post disagreed with the way the post was made but agreed with the point of the post.  Now during this time not one admin said to another publicly that he was being to harsh, the kid was just acting in passion, cut him some slack, dont make him out to be a fool.  If thats the way it's going to be when players make their valid complaints public, then I dont feel the players should have to cut an admin who acts in a similiar fashion any slack at all.

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Actually, I'd have to say, I'm on the administrations side on this one, though they may all be for something on the surface, I guarantee there are people who aren't, for one reason alone, administrative cohesion, if one person says one thing, and then two other people say two different things, the whole administrative structive falls to shit, I've seen it happen, only way to stop it is if the arch says, this is how it's going to be, lump it or leave.

You did see that this thread  splurged from the closed threads correct?  it was hella long ago and i don't quite remember what…. oh weait legba decided to bitch at us and yell instead of tell each individual person how tro imrove their RP, it came across as degrading critiscism instead of constructive criticsism. I kep my mouth shut until i read a post that defended him and made the player base sound like ass holes. (at least i thuoght it did.)  the point of mine was Admin don't OPENLY and PUBLICLY defend a player when he/she makes an offensive post... and in my case I had one deleted and used as an example on how not to criticize others rp. Legba's post came across as almost offensive as my post that got deleted..

If you read someother posts  i agree completely with

We have a standing 'if the arch sayeth, like it or lump it' policy

I said that when someone else argued with kevlar and johnny bout a coded solution on twinks stealing in the sleep... i took some heat b/c i sided with you guys. I's just trying to say if you guys are gonna openly defend each other and make us look like ass holes and close a topic.. why don't we get the same treatment when our posts are just as important if not more so due to the PB : GM ratio. (Player base : GM)
and by GM... only the active ones count. ;)

That s all.

Tool

Hi, I am Stonemonk, I used to be a GM here, and an oldbie. �My oldbie gave a rats ass about pretty much everything, sewers, smells, piss or corpies. �Well at the end of her life anyway…but us oldbies also started before the latest maglevs back when the shuttle system left something to be desired (like working code) so sewers were a hardwire between levels. �Anyway that's not the point...i'm also guilty of using the sewers now (prob as habit) when my character would have very little insight as to their layout and would most likely use pub transit. �My apoligies...i'll stop :)

And maybe this'll mean nothing to the new GMs or new players because none of you know me in person or have had much experience RPing with me. �So basically I have very little credibility here. �However that's never stopped me before :P

My advice is to think of the MOO and it's community in a way as to see everyone who has contributed (i.e. Admin all the way down to @bug-ers.) as a part of the team. �Some of you have been given an amazing opportunity to contribute in a gigantic way to the MOO by being asked to become GMs and the like. �You have power (i won't quote Spider-man here) and you are in some position of authority so far as the upper admin will allow. �I can't speak for the other admin up there but as a GM, the very reason for my existence as one was to be there for the players enjoyment. �You are a freakin' tour guide, you are customer service and you plug into the big dawgs for the real tough questions. �The Justice make the rules and enforce them, as a GM you do NOT want that responsibility, because unless you're one slick talkin d00d (I was pretty suave myself) you're gonna tick off a player and there are going to be misunderstandings and you're gonna lose credibilty as an unbias observer and then all hell breaks loose.

Players, respect your GMs

One on one's go a LONG way. �And approaching it in as gentle a manner the first time sets up a channel for amazing RP cooperation later. �And it also sets a foundation by which if it happens again later, you can honestly say you tried.

And there are 101 different ways to say "This is how you RP..." so if you feel yourself wanting to say that.. step away and put down the High and Mighty act. �When you start as a newbie, the common sense of your character is sometimes the last thing you think about when you have to remember what nth to use or how to .pose...

Now kiss, make up, and step in line.

Oh and i was gonna comment on the long arse posts and all the quoting. �but um...i ran over length :P

-SM

(Iga wants to be me)

(Edited by Stonemonk at 1:57 pm on Aug. 21, 2003)

I so do man…I so do... (want to be Stone that is.)

In terms of difficulty to use and learn, Lambda is to C++ as an Erector set is to a Welding torch.

However they both are Object Oriented languages which compile down to code run on a stack-based machine, so they share many concepts in common, even if the implementations looks terribly different.

We've gone to great length's to enable the -players- (read that again) to have the same abilities as coders, without giving away the keys to the kingdom and having to cross the player/admin line. That's what Babble-On is all about: Enabling the casual coder without taking the risk of taking on a new admin.

Unfortunately, no one's ever motivated enough to do anything with it. They're quite happy to bitch about the lack of coded support for things, but the minute you ask them to do something about it, they get -real- quite.

If you think you got the cahonas to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk, there's a powerful, full-featured, easy to learn (easier than Lambda) language ready and avalible at your fingertips, waiting for you to unleash it's power upon the unsuspecting world.

Perhaps part of the problem is Babble-On was initially only used for simple linear tasks, like messaging and things of that nature. It has evolved into a full scripting language capable of more than enough power for even moderately complex tasks.

So put your money where your mouth is, and show the admin and the rest of the MOO what your capable of. You'de be amazed how quickly our opinions might turn around.

-Kevlar

Oh, I wouldn't say that.

Were always on the look out for mature (read: above the age of 18), responsible, charsimatic people with coding experience and a background of honorable intentions who have copious ammounts of time on their hands, and a demonstratable tendancy to stick with things even when the going get's rough.

The problem is these types of people are in very short supply: Either they've burned bridges in the past, or they flake the moment it stops being nothing but fun, or they're simply not interested in devoting time to what is definately a thankless job.

And yes: It's a Job. It's -work-. It's not a game, and it's not all fun, despite what ex-members of the team who shall remain nameless might insist it should be. It requires devotion and responsibility and self-dicipline and tenacity and the ability to work with people who's opinions and methodologies and approaches don't always agree with yours.

Recall for one minute that were human: When you stick us, we bleed. We feel pain. We even, on occasion, hold grudges. When you set yourself at odds with us, we're less likely to be inclined to help you, or accept you as a team member.

Fortunately the reverse of this is also true: When you align yourself to our cause, we tend to forget the past, and look to the future. I would argue that no case is beyond hope. Even thoes who have spit in our face repeatedly in the past can be given the opertunity to make amends if they so choose. It takes time to rebuild bridges that were once burned to the ground. Time, and effort. But it can be done. And we've got real examples of it, who shall also remain nameless.

When you believe in something, and I mean really believe in the depths of your heart, your going to act in a way which is likely to bring around the desired results. Try beleiving in your own ability: You'de be amazed what your really capable of.

-Kevlar

*giggle*

You said erector

*giggle*