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OOCly, you do a look command, and in the char desc you see something like, "Luc looks pretty formidable" or "Nic looks like a panzy." � What you're getting is a basic idea of how high/low your fellow chummer's physical stats are compareable to you. �Of course, the taglines would probably be more informative, and give you at least an an idea of which physical stats are most notably revealed. �Perhaps the tag will reveal �only the highest physical stat the char has, much like you'd take higher note of how well a highly agile ninja makes his way through a room, how a superstrong brawler has a lot of muscles and veins popping out on his neck, or how much attention a highly charismatic char is getting from the men/ladies in the area. �Conversely, you might take note of the lowest physical stats, realizing that the super fast ninja looks like a walking stick, or how the uberstrong brawler has the ugliest mug you've ever seen. Perhaps, the physical taglines will reveal both �highest and lowest physical stats the character has. �Mind you, the tags would only be used to notify a player of physical stats, not skills. �Being skilled in ninjutsu, for instance, doesn't nessessarily dictate that a character is the most agil ninja in the bunch. �More often than not, physical stats tend to develop ICly through the culmination of certain skills and actions, but -that- more often than not doesn't give the average chummer–the layman-- any idea of what those skills are. �As an aside, the ability to notice the above mentioned physical characteristics might improve with increased Perception. The day old newbie (those with high PCP being the exception) might not notice anything at all save what is grossly obvious, whereas the veteran char will notice more subtle things, such as how often a chummer eyes his surroundings and how fluid his movements are. As the old saying goes, what you see is what you get-- so if the attire and gear a character possesses don't convince you (or deceive you) of their formidability, then the way they carry themselves will.
I'll continue my thoughts on this later.
By Gaston at Jun 17, 2001, 1:43 PM
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I don't like the idea of an automated one. I had one on past M*'s… whats the point of having stats hidden if they show up anyways in a message? Hell, you may want your character stumbling around and uncoordinated... then when some fool decides to remove him from the city, your character jumps into his real persona with Acrobatic agility and basically runs circles around the guy while administering massive ammounts of kicks and jabs... If you want said tag lines in a desc... put em in yourself. Its not too difficult... turn it around, and someone could have stuffed padding on their shoulders to make em look buff, in the sleeves to give muscle, or in thier shirt to make em look like they got bigger breasts (ahem). You can make your character look and act anyway you want. Putting coded taglines in will only take away from RPable situations.
My 2 cents.
[admin] Oh yes … thanks for your thoughts ... yep [/admin]
By Lucifer at Jun 17, 2001, 6:25 PM
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STREET SAM
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Umm I just couldn't resist and well luc forgive me, cause guys after this comment I will not see the light of day for weeks, if I ever see it again….
Luc knows all about stuffing his shirt to make is breasts look bigger....
By Dominik at Jun 18, 2001, 12:08 PM
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BATA
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Luc, didn't you notice how you just explained the way disguises will eventually work?
By Astrophel at Jun 18, 2001, 12:43 PM
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BAKALAKA
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In response.. some people just don't have to -act- the badass, Luc, cuz the fact that they're a badass is as plain as day. �Sides.. didn't you read the last line of my post? �Let me reiterate.
If the attire and gear a character possesses don't convince you (or deceive you) of their formidability, then the way they carry themselves will.
By Gaston at Jun 18, 2001, 8:32 PM
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SPLATJOB
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Again, you can hide how you carry yourself.
By Lucifer at Jun 18, 2001, 8:46 PM
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STREET SAM
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Can you? if you look like a pro wrestler can you hide your muscles?
By rigby at Oct 8, 2001, 10:08 PM
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WAGE SLAVE
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More obvious charastics like huge muscles can't be hidden, but stuff like Lucifer suggested, stumbling aroung even with high agility, could be faked.
Of course, I have no real idea what I'm talking about :)
By Jadael at Oct 9, 2001, 10:41 AM
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BAKALAKA
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Yes, big muscles can be hidden, loose clothing, several layers of clothing, thick clothing… its very easy to mask things... another thing, VERY tight clothing with loose on top would cover anything really...
By Lucifer at Oct 10, 2001, 5:38 PM
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STREET SAM
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You can't hide a body builder Lucifer.
But whatever, it is moot. If you have the tech you can disguise yourself. Code pending.
By Nicadeamus at Oct 10, 2001, 6:26 PM
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Personally I think the idea sucks. :P No offense.
It's just another tool for players to be able to figure out who they can beat and who they can't. I like the fact that my player could walk up to an NPC, the NPC would tick my PC off, and My PC would try and rip it's head off no matter what. If you had bits of info telling you things like that, you'd think more than twice.
As much as you THINK you'd be able to tell from someone's stance, or the way they carry themselves, you wouldn't. Two guys could be the same size, same weight, same musculature, and they wouldn't be the same strength.
Perhaps it's me but I want the freedom to make my character whatever -I- want, I don't want to be that limited by code and default descriptions.
By Stonemonk at Oct 11, 2001, 8:20 AM
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World's Strongest Man, year or two ago, I forget the dude's name but some beach-boy iron-pumping poseur entered WSM. He was twice the size of all the usual yearly entrants, bulging muscles all over the place, Mr. Universe style. He lost or failed miserably in -every- event until, close to the end in the arm wrestling round, the main tendon in his arm snapped in mid-bout right there in close up on the camera. His arm just suddenly snapped back and went all limp, looked just like the bone had snapped…
Lesson? Pumping moderate weight's fast and constant builds 'show' muscle. Huge bulging biceps that have no real strength. Meanwhile, Mr. Squat Construction worker with his stout but mostly unimpressive build happily wanders back and forth along the track with small cars under his arms.
Why did his tendon snap? Technique. He was up against the world champion arm wrestler, who looked relaxed and comfortable. Mr. Muscle-Beach looked like he was about to shit his entire internal organ collection from the effort he was putting into the bout, he actually snapped his own tendon by using sudden bursts of effort between steady pressure. Meanwhile, Mr World Champion looked cool calm and collect and merely held his ground, waiting for his opponent to wear himself out (Or as the case turned out to be, waiting for him to snap his own arm.).
It was gruesome. It still makes me cringe. *SNAP*... Mr. Muscle-Beach boohooing all over the place.
Looks aren't everything.
By Rastus at Oct 11, 2001, 6:14 PM
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ACE KOOL
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Know where I can get an MPEG of that?
By Iga at Oct 15, 2001, 9:51 PM
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LEGEND
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Eeeew, I don't want to see that, I could barely read that, ugh.
Sent shivers down my spine….
By Jadael at Oct 16, 2001, 9:38 AM
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BAKALAKA
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Sadly no, tho I would think someone somewhere must have it since it was unusually cringe-worthy. I was infact very surprised that the BBC (was in the UK at the time) even showed it considering it wasn't a live broadcast. They even reshowed it in slow motion so you could watch his arm snap and his face contort in agony in beautiful slow-mo detail.
Tasty.
By Rastus at Oct 17, 2001, 5:43 PM
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ACE KOOL
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Hmm… I'll have to look around for it. I seem to come across some strange clips of stuff. I've got two clips of shin breaks that are pretty brutal. One is a kickboxing match and the guy snaps his leg when he kicks the other guy's shin. He pulls his leg back and it's like a rubber chicken, just flying around.. he goes to stand back on it and falls over.
Other clip is of wrestler Sycho Sid dropkicking somebody off the top rope. He lands on his left leg and it just snaps under his weight. Lovely shot from a few angles and repeated a couple times in slow-mo.
By FireStorm at Oct 17, 2001, 9:56 PM
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BATA
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I've seen that kickboxing one *shudders*
One of my friends also showed me this one clip of a kid coasting on a skateboard, then accidently smashes his… family jewels... into the big bolt on the top of a fire hydrant. Then he reeled over it and landed headfirst on the sidewalk, and rolled ino the street.
Ouch...
By Jadael at Oct 18, 2001, 3:44 PM
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BAKALAKA
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