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While I was folding laundry…yes..once in a blue moon I actually do chores...well I don't exactly know why, but I suddenly wondered why SD doesn't have a movie theater. We have the TVs and those programs that air occasionally...but what if they could be made into something a bit longer? With more plot? I realize any admin reading this is probably tearing out their hair just -thinking- about all the problems the TVs have been having lately, but hear me out on this.
Problem: Movies would take an awful lot of creative effort and time just to spawn the -idea-...not to mention the sweatwork of getting it all into the game.
Solution: Get the players to make them! I think it would promote some jobs that hardly exist today...you could have the director and actors, maybe even just somebody to pretend to be a cameraman. I have no idea how the NLM TV show thing works...is John actually an NPC or something? And as for the creative effort, someone could always just watch an old movie and 'translate' it to text, save themselves the effort of coming up with plot and characters.
Problem: Would it really be worth the effort?
Solution: Well...this is what this post is here to debate. But -I- think it would...I would send my character there on dates, if she was bored...anything. Especially if there was some new movie out. I don't know if it would be copyright infringement or anything, but the more I think about it the more I like the idea of taking actual movies and turning them into text. There are tons of things people consider 'classics' which I've never seen, and this would be a sort of way that both you and your character could see them. Whee I'm getting way excited.
Problem: Where the heck would we put the thing?
Solution: I think this is one of the biggest pluses for this idea...put the theater on Green! Some other post was discussing the problem of drawing more players to that area, and I think this would be a partial solution. It would also promote more high-level jobs..not exactly 'corpie'...but close enough.
Problem: Is it really something �that would be expected in a cyberpunk city?
Solution: N/A. This is a problem of opinion, and I'm hardly one to judge it. But I can offer this...if you think it's too 'fluffy', perhaps changing the content would remedy that? Could have propaganda movies or porn, would that be more themely? Heh. But yes...possibilities are endless. Anybody ever been to a movie in Thailand? You have to stand up, put your hand over your heart, and pledge allegiance to the king before you watch "Peacemaker". And then keep your feet off the floor the whole rest of the movie for fear of the cat-size-rats. Ick.
Alrighty then. Back to laundry.
*sigh*
(Edited by Lena at 9:35 am on Dec. 15, 2002)
By Lena at Dec 15, 2002, 9:27 AM
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Great idea. I was thiking about this a few days ago and how it would be pretty cool to have my chatacter be an actor. You could put the theater in the mallplex thing. But then you also have to consider, where are you gonna film all these movies? Depending on the movie, you may need to shhot it somewhere besides the streets of Withmore, so you either need sound stages or to go out into the…umm...the place outside the dome. I forgot the term. But yes, we should watch movies and have to pledge our alligence to the CEO or whatever.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 11:37 AM
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Nothing is stopping a player from making a 2 hour long play script :)
See also the discussion in Script Development.
By Johnny at Dec 15, 2002, 11:45 AM
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Would a play script allow for us to hire people as actors and film them doing the scene, cause I think that is one of the cool things about the concept.
And as far as that link goes, since I'm not an admin, I can't view it.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 11:49 AM
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Of course you could hire people as actors - hire 'em, pay 'em, and have the director tell them what to pose. Log the poses the players make. Put 'em in the script. Have a hokey 'camera' object and pay someone to wear it and follow people around.
By Murphy at Dec 15, 2002, 11:58 AM
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Don't have to be an admin. Just a player who wants to write scripts. And no, it does nothing for letting someone be an actor and record a film.
I can't imagine how immensely difficult it would be to make a movie in the moo.
You'd have to be able to record and peice together and edit something. This is really no small feat by any means.
Now, what we could do, is let the 2 hour script be written and then you could let your character be slaved to the script, the script causing your character to do the actions, thus, being an actor in the script.
By Johnny at Dec 15, 2002, 11:59 AM
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I like Murphy's idea. Are there object's to record what is going on in a room? (aka. a camera) Well, I'm gonna start coming up with a movie to put into the moo, so there batter be a place to play it.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 12:08 PM
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What I meant was something more along the lines of a dummy camera object, like a material or something…and you just have your client log what goes on (or do it manually), then edit your log files until you have a series of poses. Then you interject some descriptive poses where appropriare (while your character idles at a dummy computer for editing) and turn the whole thing into a script.
By Murphy at Dec 15, 2002, 12:12 PM
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Gotta record the descriptions of the rooms.
And it'd need to be a $play_script.
By Johnny at Dec 15, 2002, 12:14 PM
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Sorry, I guess I wasn't really clear. I was asking about the camera in reference to Johnny's post about record a script of people as they are "forced" to pose things and then recording that. Should have stated I was switching references.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 12:16 PM
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Yes, there's objects to record what's going on in a room. Unless you've been really dilligant about NOT logging on around 7:30 this month, you would have seen one of the NLM 30 days broadcasts.
These are (now) done with a play script.
The magic behind the play script is you have complete control of your actors in the script: What they look like, their look place, their actions, emotes, says, whispers, etc… And most importantly weather or not they're on stage of off stage.
Then you just write your 'lines' to be spoken/emoted/wispered/whatever, and then have your actors speak.
The script looks like this.
as %romeo
say "I hate this fucking place."
enter %juliet "Juliet marches in from the courtyard looking upset about something.
as %juliet
to %romeo "What was that?!"
Now, there are some very interesting implications when you substutite NPC's for players, and allow them to become slaves to the script. Presently the play script dosn't support this, but that's not to say it could in the future.
The other possibility is you could write the entire script with NPC's, then 'toggle' certian NPC's to be played by 'players' at runtime. Then the flagged NPC's WOULDN'T be created, WOULDN'T say their lines... instead a pause would be inserted for the player to say it, OR the script could stop until the player with the lines signals that he's said them and the script should continue.
Here's the bottom line on this one from the Admin side folks:
If you are going to take the time to write a 1-2 hour play script which people would accualy want to sit through, I will write whatever functionality you require to make it work as a script, and Johnny will build you a theater. But were not going to do anything until we've read the entire script because it is a large undertaking, and has a high probability of failure (failure being it never get's finished, not the movie is not a success).
So having said that, get writing kids. There's money to be made here! Lots of it!
-Kevlar
By Kevlar at Dec 15, 2002, 12:26 PM
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By Johnny at Dec 15, 2002, 12:28 PM
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Hmm, actually I think money can refer to any form of currency, not just the US dollar, so making chyen would be making money. Okay, so this scripting seems simple enough, but if we we're to use player's characters in the script, would it require any kind of extra scripting on the part of the non-admins to for this to be put in? Also, even using this script, would we still need a camera object to capture what all the NPC's are doing?
Okay, so basically on the scripting it's just:
%joe
<insert command here>
and that command will be run as if by %joe
so then would it just be:
%joe
@describe me as "Joe is goat ninja."(everybody else talks about goat ninja, so I figured I would too)
or is their more to the descriptions and look place messages.
Also, how do you do a message that are not linked to any person, such as:
"The crowd began to roar in aprroval at Joe's moving speech."
Now, off to think up some movie ideas.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 1:14 PM
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Ah. I see it's time someone was allowed access to the Scripting Development forum. All these questions and more are answered there.
-Kevlar
By Kevlar at Dec 15, 2002, 1:17 PM
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So, how long until I have access, cause I really want to start working on my movie.
By Hirononbu at Dec 15, 2002, 6:26 PM
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Quote: from Hirononbu on 6:26 pm on Dec. 15, 2002[br]So, how long until I have access, cause I really want to start working on my movie.
*Knocks on the Scripting Forum door.*
A big bouncer asks the password
*Scratch his head* - Hmm… Erm... I love Johnny?
*Gets spanked by the boucer*
By Xeethot at Dec 16, 2002, 3:15 AM
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How about�scripting a scence and giving NPC's skills and stats and weapons and let the player interact with them, including combat. �So, you could be at the Drome and some asshole throws you against the wall only there's actually a guy for you to fight with. �Or some guy comes up to you on the street and tries to mug you. �Does he suceed? �Or mugging npc passerby's. �Do you get some chyen from them? �This would allow interactivity with the ambient population.
Instead of a script saying some guy does something to you but then is gone.
(Edited by Hirononbu at 5:59 am on Dec. 17, 2002)
By Hirononbu at Dec 16, 2002, 2:05 PM
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Quote: from Kevlar on 12:26 pm on Dec. 15, 2002[br]If you are going to take the time to write a 1-2 hour play script which people would accualy want to sit through…
Wow, I'm really excited about this. Will be a lot of work but hopefully a lot of fun as well. I do see the point Kevlar is trying to make here, though…a full two hour script is going to be a pain in the...neck... for sure. Yay for whoever is willing to do that! But it seems to me that there are plenty of ways to cram expressions, movements, even entire scenes into just one short description (if you're good at it). Could be a time saver, hmm? Just picture it..."2001: A Space Odessey" in under an hour! Yahhh! ;)
By Lena at Dec 16, 2002, 2:51 PM
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Well, I'm working on my first movie. �Not sure how long it will be. �I'm gonna try to have it done by the end of the month. �I'll have planty of time over break. �Don't foget the snack stand. �Popcorn and fizzy drinks. �And, of course bathrooms.
(Edited by Hirononbu at 3:17 pm on Dec. 16, 2002)
By Hirononbu at Dec 16, 2002, 3:12 PM
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By Lena at Dec 16, 2002, 3:25 PM
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People need to stop looking at things from the 2002 point of view.
It is 2087. 85 years in the future. After a nuclear war, after the fallout. The SAME SHIT you get at the movies isn't going to be popular in 2087. Be a little more original please.
By Johnny at Dec 16, 2002, 3:29 PM
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Maybe, maybe not.
People still go to restaurants and get orange juice.
By Lotus at Dec 16, 2002, 3:33 PM
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Yeah, I bet anyone can make a movie with just an e-note.
ILM already does some scary shit today, why cant an e-note do some crappy stuff too?
By Xeethot at Dec 16, 2002, 3:35 PM
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Xee, if it's so easy, maybe you should write a movie.
But yeah candy of the future. You could always submit ideas of candy you'd like to see, using the stuff for food.
@describe $food as "Some really cool food description."
@taste $food is "%T is very plain tasting."
@eat $food is "You open your mouth and take a large bite of your %t."
@otaste $food is "%N %<tastes> %p %t."
@oeat $food is "%N %<takes> a bite of %p %t and %<chews> happily, then swallows."
@poof $food is "You finish your %t and dispose of the remains."
@opoof $food is "%N %<finishes> %p %t and %<disposes> of the remains."
@prepare $food is "You quickly prepare a %t."
@oprepare $food isn't set.
By Hirononbu at Dec 16, 2002, 3:55 PM
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*whimper*
Just kidding about the milk duds, Johnny…
By Lena at Dec 16, 2002, 3:59 PM
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I was just saying that no actors are needed you just use pre-made models and make your own.
By Xeethot at Dec 16, 2002, 5:04 PM
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But if you don't use any player's as actors it doesn't create any jobs, which was one of the cool things about this concept. My first movie, however, will not use any player's character's as actors (though I am going to have my character appear, though I'll just use an actor who is described to look like me). I figure I'll get my first one done before I worry about finding people to play parts in a movie. But actually, I think as many people out there as want to should make movies, that way we can have a selection to go watch. Maybe multiple theaters and such.
I'm pretty sure nothing there is crossing IC/OOC boundaries, but if anyone thinks it is, please say something.
By Hirononbu at Dec 16, 2002, 5:21 PM
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Yes but we could actually expand that into more jobs than the actors.
Motion capturing actors, programmers, clothing designers, voice over dubs, etc…
By Xeethot at Dec 16, 2002, 5:29 PM
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Yes I know and I may actually be using a clothing designer, but I'm not going to worry about hiring many others for my first movie as stated earlier.
By Hirononbu at Dec 16, 2002, 5:32 PM
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I'm sure the admin would let you hire that many players, if you could -find- that many players who could reasonably do/play the parts, I dunno about you, but I think it's fairly dubious you'll find that amount of players.
By Lujan at Dec 16, 2002, 7:26 PM
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Could just make your actor's Idoru too.
By Johnny at Dec 19, 2002, 10:29 AM
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I'll consider that as soon as I figure out what you're talking about Johnny. Idoru?
By Hirononbu at Dec 19, 2002, 12:01 PM
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Idoru is a Gibson-coined term for the celebrities that don't actually exist, but were created/are maintained completely inside of cyberspace. They still do shows and concerts and all of that through Stimsim and etc…
By Lotus at Dec 19, 2002, 8:49 PM
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Due to a character change, and the fact that I was getting nowhere on my movie, I've decided this:
I'm gonna take movie scripts for movies that are actually out and convert them into the script for Sindome and submit them not credited to my character and just as some director out there. �Maybe "clasics" that have been digitally remastered and such and are rereleased 100 years after they were made. �Does that sound okay? �It shouldn't be too hard since scipts are set up in a format very similar to $play_scirpt scripts �Just need to add commands and pauses.
(Edited by Hirononbu at 9:37 am on Dec. 29, 2002)
By Hirononbu at Dec 29, 2002, 9:30 AM
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