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Censorship

Alrighty… I can take nice, clean, arguements.

But flat out post deletions I cannot.

I posted a response to one of Kev's posts in the current Town Hall topic thread, which I will concede was in the wrong topic. So I'm going to post it here.

Basically, I was replying to Kev's general comment of saying coders are always needed, and some other stuff along the lines of there always being smaller things, bugs and what not to fix. Which I did, many many times, as a coder. That was my job, fixing things.

Now, since Kev so kindly had my last post deleted, which had a straightforward simple response, I'm being forced to do it more laid out so that he can't deem it an 'attack on him' and have it deleted again.

I posted how I wasn't going to bring out details of my going AWOL as far as activity was concerned for respect out of everyone involved, and Kev evidentally overlooked that small detail. So I'm going to pull some things out.

If there is a need for coders, Kev, don't drive coders away. Because with me, thats exactly what you did. I was doing the jobs that you yourself proposed a need for coders with. And for reasons I still don't understand, you took any and every conceivable chance to put me down, in my place, or to just flat out tell me to get the hell out.

It doesn't matter how -you- see the words you speak to others Kev, its all how -they- recieve them.

I'm done with this whole ordeal, you want to keep censoring me, do it. I don't care. I started out with posting a joke and you posted further, so did I. And it got deleted.

The reason I'm posting it here? Simple. I've been asked before why I went inactive, so I'm giving all those people who asked, a reason.

Peace out everything, I'm not going anywhere.

I disagree, and know others do as well, but your entilted to your opinion, and I respect that.

I'm being forced

No, your making a choice.

I posted how I wasn't going to bring out details of my going AWOL as far as activity was concerned for respect out of everyone involved, and Kev evidentally overlooked that small detail.

I didn't overlook it. I clearly stated the reson the post was deleted because it was off topic, and to take your message to the appropiate forum.

-Kevlar

BTW: Where is this censorship, and the 'contradictions abound'? You seem to be confusing censorship with moderation.

(Edited by Kevlar at 5:06 pm on Nov. 6, 2003)

Thank you, it's all I asked for.
Well I don't know if this problem is resolved or what, but I appreciate you two at least -trying- not to get pissed off about the whole thing. �;P

Lord knows we don't need to go through that type of thing anymore. �Happens far too often as it is.

Anyway, I was just wondering.. �Not exactly sure if this is what all these posts are ABOUT, but.. �yeah:

If Lucifer wants to come back and code again, why not let him? �I understand that there were some "security issues" involving keeping the MOO's code-secrets exactly those: �secrets. �However, Aren't there different levels of "adminship"? �I mean, if he wants a second chance and is willing to work towards the betterment of the MOO (and as you guys have stated, we need more coders), then Hell, I think its a good idea. �But if you're unsure of his motives, put some sort of limitations on his abilities.

I personally have a bit of trust in the guy. �I don't really know him that well, but from speaking with him via AIM he seems relatively reasonable. �But I'unno. �You guys probably know'em better than I do.

And uh.. �if this isn't what the issue was about, just call me a jackass. �Because honestly, I haven't really been following it all that much.

w00t.

(Edited by Aikao at 9:23 pm on Nov. 6, 2003)

Sindome is not a place to learn to code. He was learning to code. I for one am very happy he found a place where he could learn to code and be effective at the same time.

Anyone who would be considered for coding in the near term would need to have quality pre-existing experience in MOO (the language). Until someone has that, they're really on their own. Sable is learning to code. Rarely due our schedules line up enough for me to teach her how to do certain things. At this point, I'm allowing her to debug bugs reported by looking at the verbs in the tracebacks you submit and trying to deduce what's wrong. I have not yet progressed to teaching her how to send certain values and variables to the debug 'channels' because this requires her to 1.) own the verb and 2.) make a mod to it that 3.) doesn't cause a traceback itself.

Lucifer (Wren) was past this point but he was at the point where his would break repeatedly as he learned what worked and what didn't work. There are HUGE esoteric things that he's still learning. These things caused me endless grief, staying up at night, worrying that his inexperience would break the game in catastrophic ways. Sindome is RUNNING, you are playing it, it can not afford to lose significant functionality without careful consideration. You learn to code somewhere else, not on Sindome.

So my 'solution' was to restrict him greatly. To not task him with projects except where they were isolated. An example of this was his @history that was completely seperate from the existing @history system before it was upgraded. Another thing I would do was have him write something and then take it and tighten it up, adding the best practices I had learned. When it was done, his code was usable, absolutely, but it wasn't solid enough to allow him to muck about in things that were important.

So, he wasn't getting tasked with things, I wanted him to do the coding as a background task, learning as he GMed. He was rather bored with GMing and ofcourse, he and Kev never got along, so he took a vacation from things on SD.

I forget exactly how long he was gone, I'd venture a few months of spottily connecting (often followed by an angry disconnection due to bad attitudes and miscommunication on my part, Kevlar's and Wren's). When he found his energy and decided to come back, I was extremely resistive to allowing him to code because things had changed in the code world (we added general locks and things to prevent race conditions – which is probably over a non-coders head) and as a general rule, I don't like letting anyone just jump back into things without observing for a while (several weeks sometimes til I get comfy with them) the world, the code, the channels and the interactions going on between them all.

So, once again, I was styming his creative energies, asking that he only contribute as a GM.

In the end, a breakdown of trust caused me to ask him to leave, forever. Did I do the right thing? I think so. He would of forever had my experience coming behind him and telling him how to do things (something he may deny, but his actions conveyed he didn't like me doing) and often just making the changes myself.

I'm sure both Kev and Lucy (I've always loved calling him that) might have a few corrections for me, but that's how I remember things occuring.

And yes, Lucy is a good guy.

Any edits should be in bold.

Er..  my edit was that I added a random letter due to bad typing.  Which I deleted.  :)