Why MOO?

Yeah, the imagination is a huge factor, and the personalized nature of the game, although that is something that is truly special about SD. �On Cybersphere, it is unlikely that you will meet the admins, but here on SD you can interact with all of them. I've also really loved that, though there are a few I don't know well and wish I did.

But… yes, imagination for me sums it all up. �Just like reality, we all perceive things differently. �And my imagination makes everything far more spectacular than graphics ever could. �With graphics come limitiations far greater than those in text. �With text-based games, if you can describe it, you can have it, you can see it, you can do it. �I've never been scared by a movie in my whole life. Why? Because even though the bogey man is visually depicted right before me, he's not real to me. �Books though... the written word has a great power. Many a time have I become too freaked out to sleep over a good novel. �Why? Because when the bogey man is described, my mind creates the most horrible picture possible, and he's scary -to me-

SD works with a similar principle... although the intent isn't to scare, it -is- to create vivid mental imagery. �And that is left entirely up to and in the mind of the players.

I also appreciate that if someone wants to play an intelligent character, they must actually be an intelligent person. �You can easily play a character who is less intelligent than yourself, but it is completely impossible to play a character with greater intelligence than yourself successfully. �I always remember this when interacting with the people I have met on SD. �Their character can be such a good tool for understanding them, as their character is always in part a reflection of their own personality and thoughts. �In a visually oriented game, this would be nearly impossible to gauge from the actions of a character, as nearly all their abilities would be based on stats.
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Survival depends not on stats but on cleverness because so much of the interaction with the players and environment is based on how well you the player can write/describe/create/fool the living daylights out of your opponents. �That gives us far more freedom than a visually based game, where if you want to depict your character walking with a limp it's just not allowed for. �I could never enjoy such a restricted environment for long.  It becomes tedious and you start to want to do so many things that are not possible.

So, interesting topic. I enjoyed responding to it and you made some good points. Thanks again to everyone who makes this place great, admins and players alike.  SD is one of the few things in my life right now that I can -always- count on enjoying.

Quote: from Tylissa on 2:38 am on Sep. 5, 2002[br]Survival depends not on stats but on cleverness because so much of the interaction with the players and environment is based on how well you the player can write/describe/create/fool the living daylights out of your opponents. �

A lot of people forget that, but its the ultimate truism of the game.

Unlike a lot of people I'm afraid my imagination while fertile ground doesn't bode well with table top gaming and I find most computer/video games to be annoying. So if I'm at a table with a group of people and some five-foot-nothing woman tells me she's supposed to be six-foot-seven and a buxom blonde I have a hard time working with that.

So text is perfect for me. Because with text I can picture it in my own little way in my own little head and there is nothing to contradict it.

I've been doing text based roleplay in one way or another for almost seven years now. And a great friend, the best one there is, introduced me to SD last year after I expressed my desire to try out a new RPG and here I am.

*thought he shouldn't have added that line*
Man it had comments. No central form but all the paragraphs and sentences made sense. You think I'm going to write that again! I should have copyied it to word or something but man! Uber harsh.

Okay I had many points, and they made sense *grrr's*.
They were, albeit in slightly messy from:

There are pros and cons to text based adventures (proper name) and M*'s in general, as there also are to other forms of games. Theses are generally in how the player interacts with them. So text is good for acting for roleplaying, but bad for say playing a game like super monkey ball. In that game it has no story, ntohing like that…it's on physical skill and refleces etc.

I aslo made a point of saying I play pretty much every type of game, and have a favourite of each type. And that M*'s don't have the social aspect of sitting with friends. snacks and cream soda and playing four player goldeneye. Although inronically M*'s and SD are a lot about social interaction.

I then said that you lot are predudist towards other forms of games, in that you try to compare it with sindome etc in how sindome is. And to a greater degree people who play pc shoot em ups etc do this with M*'s. You want something the form was not designed for, and ingore the other aspects that is only capable in that form.

3D graphics and current chart game graphics etc are mundane was another point of mine.

And all this will hopefully not matter when virtual reality comes, which will easily be in our lifetimes. Then they will converge into a huge virtual experience form, and won't suffer from predudices hopefully.

And I said that Deus Ex, a pc revolutionary first person perspective game is more cyberpunk than anarchy online, a game which is bad for bandwidth eating and price.

And I wrote that SD isn't that cyberpunk

No if that doesn't make sense, I sugest you chew some ritalin Johnny, whatever that is. And if it's some waking up drug I won't, but thank you.

And there you go I did respond :) And I hope you enjoy it. My last post should be put back up, it had a lot more in it

Oh and I play M*'s becuase I love games, to write and read, and to play a very different kind of game. Also they often require a lot more thinking than other games and often are a lot bigger. M*'s last for ever in a way, a scripted game doesn't. And it's free :) . But that isn't a factor due to the amount of time that needs to be put into them, I would pay 60 pounds for a complete SD without Lucien's.
^_^

Should go in Johnny's topic but yeah. Like the beggining. Erm I don't know why it ended up like that. Wanseya wasn't all fluffy but Kiami was, the character just turned out like that and I just stayed IC, despite ooc mess. Oh yeah giviing enemies OOC infor seems just as cp as not to me. It's a tough break, harsh, self inflicted, works for me themeatically. You're totally right though and yeah I read that gibson quote, I think somewhere in neuromancer. Erm that's the only gibson I have admitedly read, and -after- I left SD lol. But I found SD after reading and loving Snow Crash and Diamond Age so much…..they're not classic cp, and diamond age is rather sci-fi, but I chose that to be my cp.......... Well hmm. I though Wanseya was perfectly fitting for cp. Japanese, fine with killing, and take all looser *grins*. Oh Oh and to add a bit of actaul cp flavour to Kiami she had a dark side, and it was good come on. Just the player messed it up for the character *grins*. that's me hehe. Thanks ^_^. I think Trancer thought/thinks the same for the same reasons, he only ever saw Kiami so it's understandable....but then she was my frist full proper character. Kiami's shop jobs seemed cp'ey to me ;)
Bye

I have to agree, well I can't disagree as I was wrong. But I kind of knew that, maybe tried to provoke some reaction *looks at Trancer*, sorry guess I annoyed you.

On another note…..Yeah Ion Storm Austin rocks, but I must say that Deus Ex was revoluntionary, many of it's parts are not, but them all brought together in such a successfull experience is a first. Yeah I really need to play sytem shock....and thief, I just used an example ou of what I have experienced.

Something about Jedge Dred I really didn't like, but then I've only seen the movie and I dislike stalone in a way. Blade Runner....*sighs* I have to see that.

Hmm, I shouldn't have got you all side tracked. I think my games, text based adventures comments had merrit and wonder what other people think.

And Yeah, Trancer also said the matrix doesn't matter that much, well eh said at all, but....yeah, just trying to hammer it into my head. I coldn't even remeber what decks where a few weeks ago when Trancer brought them up, so I'm not a prime candidate for an explation of what cp is. But whatever it is a like it, and that makes it for me *looks at disagreers seriously*. Neuromancer was good aswell, even if it was a little short for my tast.

Sorry Trancer if you didn't want me to state you, but yeah makes sense if I apologise to you all at once, as it concerns the very same thing.

Thank's Murphy I'll be checking some of that out soon...and I have to read do andoids dream of electric sheep; I read the first chapter in an english class 2 years ago at least and it was superb.

I really like the social divide and extreemes portrayed in cp, well I see that as the case. And how women are presented is cool, little nell in diamon age (but yeah not real cp) trinity in the matrix, molly in neuromancer, forgot names of others but I think it's very good.

I was wrong basically and knew it. Just guess I amaturly thought it would be funny to see how people would react if I said SD <> CP (that looks pretty *grins*). However I think I did want to illustrate how it is a very browed gere, but I think you put it a -lot- better Murphy's player/actor.

It's 12.50 at night I'm doing full lessons in college tomorow, hmm actaully today (lol) so bye, and thanks ^_^

-Ham baps rock-

Hahahaha, yeah!  I'm PREDUDIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Hell yeah.

We are all a bunch of predudists here at SD.  Those are the people who came before dudists. Many of their beliefs were similar, but they surfed less than the Dudists who came after them.

Both groups were founded in CA though.  I think Kevlar is a member of both.

I'm sorry, I just can't take this seriously anymore.

Predudist… that's the best typo I've ever seen.

Oh, and on a serious note, I give the kid some credit for at least having a sense of humor about himself. He doesn't get angry and start shouting and calling names.  He -usually- approaches issues calmly and politely, though ritalin would in fact be beneficial.

I have been m**ing and coding for about five years now, I love them because they evolve, and the pbase is the major factor in their evolution, I just recently started playing moo's though, I have always had a huge bias against them because I hate how moo's use command prefixes, like @, #, and ~. I also have a disdain to the fluffy community that is abundant in moo's, not to mention the dreaded x-ray pink sunglasses that can summon a tank of devastaion, and throw a kegger on sunday nights.

Although recently, as in the past year I have been noticing scifi based moo's that have revolutionary code and mostly do not suffer tho common affliction of moo's.
I am gritting and bearing the @, #. and ~, and looking deeper into SD and so far I am liking what I see.

Correct, except for one thing:

ADD and HAADD are different things.

Attention Deficit Disorder is the inability to concentrate on uninteresting or non-interactive stimulation where the person must take a passive role, and is unable to do so without loosing their concentration, fidigiting, acting out, and things like that.

Hyper-Active Attention Deficit Disorder is the inability to concentrate on anything at all. Even interactive, stimulating situtations.

When I was 10 they gave me Ritalin because I was diagnosed as having ADD. Unfortunately it made my mood very unstable, and I was prone to lash out at people for no reason at all, so that lasted for about a week and a half before they yanked me off it.

Later they figgured out that I was just mildly dyslexic which made it very frustrating and difficult to concentrate on writing things on paper.

Now I write software for a living, and as a hobby. Go figure.

-Kevlar

Thanks guys for telling me about that. So Johnny you think I have Attention Deficit Disorder? I get the impression people would prefer me to leave the boards aswell as the game.
Well I definitely don't have Attention Deficit Disorder, despite eerily my graphics lecturer aslo sugesting so this year, but she basically thought that due to the temporory negative result of having 13 hour days, taking on too many subjects, and getting far to little sleep, and imposing too mcuh pressure on myself.
I've been told by my mum that I can be self absorbed, as in I'm working in my room, she walks in and tells me she's going out and I never register it, and later wonder where she's gone. Well that last happened about a year and a half ago to my recolection, and is just the result of deep concentration on one thing..getting absorbed. Hence, the opposite of ADD.
I feel I have a very good attention span, and I've often been complimented at seeming to really take things in, which may be just how I look, but then I get A's (top grades) even last year that I messed up a bit so logic would follow that my thoughts are correct.
You probably didn't mean it so literaly, or meant much, but I've given a bloated response regardless*grins*.
It's all very interesting though, and evokes thoughts that medication is used to liberally, that institutional care is bad, that drugs as I stated are week, and the easy (yet unbenefitial and often detrimental to the subject) option for the "helper" to take. I find drugs such as ritalin far to extreeme, especially with how abundant miss diagnosis is. For example a joke, yet totally based on fact in pyschology is: to cure the great humber of diagnosed scitsophrenics (spelling) in America, one simply sends them to england. If the ICD and DSM can have such differences in deffinition, for people to air impetious thoughts on serious subjects as this is seriously wrong. It seems that for me to have ADD, I would really have to be hyper and a frill seaker almost, wanting quick stimulation. How then I read for 14 hours in a day with very little pauses and taking it in well is rather amusing, and the fact that my graphics lecturers' "diagnosis" forgets that it is brought on by lack of sleep and so if anything my state was actaully more bordering on the lethargic.
It seems if there was seriousness in your comment Johnny that you have aslo made the same mistake. Psychologists argue and disagree on definintions of disorders, so for people with abovious far lesser knowledge on the subject to make negative, incorrect, and self asteem and confidence lowering statements frankly anoys me.
I'm massivly above average in a lot of factors about myself, of a possitive nature. These "diagnoses" should really only be made for people with obvious problems and that cause problems. I certainly don't have a problem. Miss diagnosis of disorders especially in children can lead to self fulfilling propheses (spelling) as for them to "reveal the truth", "admit to it" is rewarded, and often denial of false statements is seen as "the stage of denial". Rather amusing in sad way.
So Johnny, I guess you don't know me very well, and only one part but I'm super, don't worry, I havn't even ever had an asprin or paracetimal in my life, and I don't really like having my self belief damadged again by those who are clueless to who I am.
*takes a much needed large breath of air*
Wow that was a huge rant. And now I must seem a bit like the steriotypical situation where women pick up on one comment and butcher you for it in the form of personal venting.
Well I had to make it clear to all, and -myself- that I'm super, don't have disorders, and that taking drugs of any sort can be a dangerous thing to do.
Oh and thanks Kev, and I hope you can see that it isn't sad to post on forums where one doens't play the game they are for anymore. Rastus (forgot real name) and firestorm both did/do it. If people seem to just take it negatively all the time I'll probably end up not posting much or at all…... However one must post at forums that are themed on something one likes, I've never been to chat rooms, and those generall forums are very freeky. I used to post on the planet dues ex forums a lot, but these are more mature and I prefer the resposes. They're often about literature, literature I like such as Cyberpunk, and computing so it makes sense in an interest and enjoyment point of view for me to post on these boards.
It seems people like to batter me a lot *grins*
^_^

I've said it once, and twice… and probably a third time... but I'll say it again.

For someone who hates the MOO, who doesn't play, and who supposidly hated the admin. You CERTAINLY spend alot of time on the boards. Why?

We all know he's perpetually annoying, and isn't going away.
So, faring thus,
*pulls out his patented Trout(R) and smacks everyone back on topic*

Ok, I'm not realy one to post seeing as I've never been the most eloquent of people, but here goes nothing…

Hey Wan, guess what, I got some news for ya, you know Ras, Granted I haven't talked to him in a bit, but last I talked to him, he wanted back. I think he even made a char, not sure. And as for Wildfire, saw him the other night, guess he's not gone afer all Wan. Tee hee..
Now why don't you do us all a favor, run along and go play on a busy highway or something, just go away.

� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -Without- Love,
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Lucien

P.S. Have a nice day

(Edited by Lucien at 4:20 pm on Sep. 18, 2002)

My Trout(R) isn't affective?
I'm trying to decide if your brain cells are -de-fective.
Now, for the sake of Christ, will you please go away so people -might- start posing back on topic?

No Lucien silly! I made another one since that one. Every post updates the more you make. When I typed that, it was officially my hundredth post. See… now it says 102.  Cause this is my 102nd post. Yay me. :)

*has no life*

*enjoys absence of a life*

two things. One, Lucien… everytime you post, it changes at the bottom. When she posted that... it was 100th. But she's made 2 more in other topics sense then... so it updates.

Two. Wan, I don't want you posting as much as you do if you aren't playing. Why? Simple. Several players have already called you annoying and want you to leave. Two, this is a discussion about the game, and you are no longer on the game.

I'm starting to think you are obsessed with Sindome. Which is not a good thing. Go out and do something more productive then sit here and insult/rip apart this game and its players. I know you can do it. I've seen you do it before...

Everyone will have to move on, maybe its your time, neh?

I'm over 500.

YEAH Beeyotchah!

I on the other hand am not so kind.  I am easily angered.  As anyone who knows me.  Especially the admin.  As far as I'm concerned wan you have no businsess being here and wasting my time.  Most people find  you annoying, and seeing as how y ou have nothing contrusctive to say…LEAVE!