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WJF-OOC

Does it seem reasonable that WJF can judge you for not having a weapons permit, and carrying a weapon, when there is no system in place by which to get a permit?

I think for now WJF should focus on the usage of the weapon, and not possesion of the weapon alone.  Since this would have the basis, someone attacks somebody, obviously a crime, go judge them.  Someone is carrying around a gnome cannon, minding their own business, leave them alone.

I think not.
I'm fairly sure it is possible to get a liscence for a gun.

At least I've see a note from a Judge to a player (No names) that says: You can use a gun seeing as your line of work is risky.

or something. They are out there. Plus, really, Astro, why would an Engineer and Architech need to pack heat? :P

An Engr. that used to work for a security firm in the dome, who makes a small fortune, who doesn't believe in some form of protection?  I think not.  Especially considering the profoundly high crime rate in the dome.  Since we no longer have any functional security companies, I think it pretty reasonable.
Wasn't this issue already settled?
I think not.
*ahems*

No functioning security corp YET!!!!!!

Has everyone forgotten about TERRA already?

wait, don't answer that…

By the way, where the hell did 269 (...er.... 270 now) posts come from for this forum?

Oh boy, do I get to bitch now.

This is the biggest fucking gay thing I have ever gone through in the dome. I want to know why the hell I was put into a cell, and while i was asleep at that. Only way is admin, and that is getting more and more unfair. Not to mention having all my stuff removed. Considering that the strip command does not work, I was arrested by admin. Sound fun? It gets better.

I've helped get the dome up and running, I've bugged things, been an ass, gotten things fixed for being an ass, been an annoying prick sometimes for no reason, and many more things. Some I've applogized for, others not. But to be arrested for RPing and for being attacked are the gayest things I've ever been a part of. If I am wrong about the reasons for my 'jailing' and its an OOC matter, then LET ME FUCKING KNOW! That way, I don't make a fucking fool of myself on these bitch boards.

If I am going to be arrested and celled, let Casey do it. Or get more judges and let them do it. We have been talking about admin help on things that shouldn't need it ever since this bitch board was concieved. Now I get arrested for what I am assuming is IC matters by admin because Casey cannot do it himself? I have spent months working up to TERRA, getting info, people, and gear. Now it is all sent down the shitter along with RP. I truthfully don't know if Luc is going to stay around much longer if this kinda shit keeps up. As for who I piss off with this post, I appologize, but I am being pressed once again. This is the 2nd time I've been arrested by admin, at least have the decensy to do it while I'm on so I can RP it and know what the hell is going on.

*breaks shit and goes off to think of wether or not to stay around*

More bitching.

The WJF does not have any buisness being IC right now, much less have IC Judges. Unless the system changes. Lets take a look at this situation:


    Lucifer publically humiliates and insults Casey.

    Casey tries to make an example out of Lucifer by getting other people to help him kill Lucifer FOR NO GOD DAMNED REASON!

    Lucifer kills Casey in self defense.

    Lucifer is arrested, his things are stolen, and he is incredibly pissed both IC and OOC.

This does not look like a good RP environment. The Judges and the WJF have way too much power. �And frankly, they do not prosecute those who commit crimes, they prosecute those who threaten their power. Look at Casey. He takes Astro when hes weakend, he takes me when I'm asleep, and he probably used OOC information at that. Hes been killed more times then we can count, lost masive ammounts of gear, and yet, the WJF still uses him. Hes been caught doing things that could pin him as a 'Judge Gone Bad' and yet he is still here. Basically, the WJF has too much power, and they are abusing it. Lets take another look at this…

As of now I am assuming that all my gear, everything I had, is gone. Now, this whole deal probably came out of someone thinking I was hoarding gear and I needed to be 'delt with' using Casey. Did anyone think to consult me? Noooooo. Lets look at others. Casey has access to ammo, weapons, armor, cuffs, and a hella lot of other things. I have painstakingly earned everything I have. I've bought, done deals, killed, stolen, etc. There are others who have access to things as well, they are not touched nearly as much as I am. This is the second time this has happened, both times OOC things are used that we cannot use ourselves or defend agaisnt yet. One thing, my having a tracking device in me that Casey HAS BEEN USING ever since he became a Judge. Icly, I DO NOT HAVE IT! It was removed, yet it wasn't removed. That, is total bullshit that no one ever looked at. Now, back to the gear itself. I sold a large ammount of things to admin to get em recirculated. The stuff I currently held was for TERRA, I needed armaments for my agents or its worthless. Once again, massive RP and planning shot to hell because I am an older player who is stronger then the Judges. The whole, 'I am the law' thing is good, but it cannot be used over and over again. They cannot expect to try and kill someone for no reason, and not have them fight back. In all fairness, that is total bull. If a cop now killed someone for no reason, they'd be sentenced for life, maybe death. That would not change now either, I don't care who much everyone thinks so. Casey attacked me, what am I suppose to do, sit there and watch him miss over and over? No. Self-Defense supercedes what the judges call 'Ultimate Authority'. If someone has done nothing wrong, and they are attacked, they cannot be harmed for defending themselves. Plain and simple. From the start having IC judges before the game was finished was a bad idea. They don't have anythign stopping them. And it is RUINING the dome. RP is being killed, people are being punished for nothing, etc. I am ICly giving people jobs, RP, and much more. Casey and the WJF are ruining the game. Fission was an awsome Judge. He was the same badass judge, but he didn't use his power to get rid of those who were better. He didn't run around fucking people over because they had earned gear, placements, and other things. Casey has done nothing like Fission has, hes got a fucking free ride even after all the shit he pulled before becomign a judge. Icly, in my opinion, Lucifer would have been a good judge, as would Astro and Lujan. But noooo, we can only have 1 judge, right? Wrong. The judges will have those who want money and power, but they'd also have those who delt Justice; Fission, Lucifer, Astro, we all have the same ideas and beliefs. Luc's applied before, not even got a turned down message. He may in your eyes, be a criminal, but int he 58 million people on Red, hes a savior. Hes gone after criminals, tried to get them help, given them money and other things. Yet, Luc is still looked on as a bitch and an asshole, and Casey, a god.

My bitch is not done... it has only just begun.

Your arrest was IC from what I heard.  You killed Casey, had WJF gear.  Whether or not Casey is a Judge gone bad is illrelevant.  You commited a crime and got punished for it.  Don't whine because you got caught.  Admin help was requested but denied.  Sorry you got caught.  Life's a bitch.
Lucifer, Casey and the WJF
I don't know how many times it has to be said, but I'll say it again.
1) This is the dark future, Corps run -YOU- you piss off the corps, break the law, you will be arrested etc.
2) Because you do alot for the MOO oocly does not mean you get special priviliges like some mystical immunity that allows you to do what you please.
3) Lucifer -killed- Casey, witnesses there and all, he stole an Enforcer.

What happens in Real Life when you fuck with the law? the law fucks you back. Same thing happens on the MOO.

You are more than welcome to bitch, whine and groan about what happens on the MOO. But please try and understand, yes, this is a game, but we try and make it as real and involved as possibe and if you fuck up badly you -will- have to deal with the consequenses of your actions.

In regards to Lucifer's post.  Let's see….first of all, WJF is an IC law enforcement group, therefore they will at all times act, react and be felt ICly.  Second of all, you just stated that you time and time again publically ridicule and humiliate Casey on SIC.  Casey may be a judge, sure, but judges are people also.  Most of which can be quite twisted and corrupt individuals and I know that if I were in his shoes and Lucifer were to ridicule me on SIC, I would deal with it.  I would not make it a WJF issue, but a personal one, which he did.  He did not call for, ask for or receive any WJF assistance when fighting you.  He took it upon himself to deal with it and died in the process.  The problem now lies in the fact that not only did you kill an officer, be it in the line of duty or in self defense, but you are also in possession of WJF gear.  This made it a WJF problem and it was dealt with.  I'm sorry that by you being arrested and having to deal with your IC actions, TERRA was ruined, the dome is crumbling to the ground and jesus's resurrection has been put off for another 600 years, but that's just the cut of it, you know?  Best thing to do now would be to stop sharing all of your IC ventures, secrets and information on an OOC board and deal with it....ICly.

Thank you,
Damon

Would I get in trouble if I laughed at this point?

Oh man. Poor Lucifer. IC shit bit you on the ass? Are we gonna get a long drawn out set of bitchings every time an IC thing gets hooped for you?

*laughs*

Man, enjoy it for the GAME it is. You made your bed, now you've got to lay in it. Can't say that those around you didn't warn you to cool it.

Okay, I'm done now.

Shit…man...does this mean that Nic is next?!
*runs and hides*

This will be the only post I make about this topic so:  Luc, you knew I was mad at you, after you died you also did a very poor job of covering it up.  You also must realize that not everyone likes you and you will be framed every once in a while.  So whether that be to your liking or not, thats RP.  "One thing you should learn on an RPG MOO is that yes, while you can kill and steal and mug and loot, along with your joys comes repercussions." Damon told me that one a long time ago.
*cackles* Actually… there may be some good of this...

We shall see... we shall see....

To be quite blunt.  Thats a pretty shitty attitude, Luc.  When everything wasn't your way your attitude was basically fuck this, and fuck you.  Now that something may turn your way it seems, you are all for it.  You won't get far with an attitude like that.
No, actually its just bad timing. First post was me all pissy n'shit. And me thinking it was OOC shit. Nixxi explained it this afternoon and it all clicked. Now, if we want to continue arguing this, fine. Otherwise, let the RP roll.
In the voice of cartman, "I think Lucifer is a gay homosexual!"
*eyes Johnny*

You bastard!!! You killed Casey!!!

Why did you tell em all about us though? Why…?

*snort*

I'm not even going to dignify this thread with a reply…

But…but...

...I wanna hear some rastus style quips...

*abuses Rastus*
I'm all quipped out right now…

But if you're lucky I might have a choice post for you tomorrow, in response to the 'open anused shitstorms from your friendly ElseMOO admin'.

Stay tuned...