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music referances

Can anyone here name the top ten popular musicians from 1920?

I can name one or two, but that's about it. But then, I took a music history course.

Why do I bring this up, well, simple: People are always dropping 20th C. Music referances. By the time 2089 rolls about, you'd be lucky to find 1 in 40 people who knows who 'New Kids On The Block' were. Or 'Britney Spears'. Or 'Metallica'. Let alone 'Iron Maiden' and 'The Clash'.

So, what do you do when music is such a huge part of popular culture, and Withmore would be no less?

Well, this topic is for people to discuss and open up dialogues on different pop media icons in Withmore City. We already have the BabySmashers, a band that plays heavy guitar beats over maniac speed drums that switch tempo suddenly and often. The lead vocalist switches from screaming loud to, how did I call it once, ah, 'Kaluah poured over shards of glass'.

How do bands and pop icons start up in Withmore? Where do they come from. Well, BabySmashers were started by a player just refering to them all the time, and yowling out lyrics that he made up as he went along.

Anyone can do that.

Or, for those who like a more formal approach, make up a band or singer here, we'll discuss it, and hash it out as a community, then impliement it into the IC world.

Either option is welcome and will be used by the admin at some point if you keep using the references in your day to day roleplaying…

As to the types of music you'd find in 2089, well. I would think it would be all over the map. You'd have people remixing old TV commercials into Techno. You'd have Jim Moreson-eske bands like Babysmashers. You's have sickly sweet Chinese and Japanese pop music. You'd have anything and everything. You'd have punk, rock, and country. You'd have punk country. And rock-folk. And techno-country. And you name it. If you are nuts enought to think it up, it can happen. Shania Twain mixed with beastyboys dropped over a slow symphonic orchestral track. Whatever you dream.

Hell, Polka may be the hottest thing in the mix for a few days.

So, lets jam some ideas, and see if we can flesh out the music culture of Withmore City.

What about idorus? Can they exist? A VR Artist that was made by NLM and has the most perfect traces and voice tone there can be… Holographic shows and shit...

Those are cool...

Well, to my knowledge, musicians of the 1920s didn't have their work converted into digital media and spread across a global network that's very likely here to stay.

The net brings plenty of forgotten things to the forefront of popular culture - most of the audience that paid money to see 'Not Another Teen Movie' certainly wasn't old enough to truly remember B.A. Baracus, but the A-Team theme did blare and Mr. T did make an appearance - and everyone knew him if not from their childhood, but from the plethora of Mr. T versus * websites out there.

Yes. Idoru's would be possible and even…well, not common, that is a hell of a lot of code to make a star, but they would be about.
Quote: from Iga on 2:00 pm on Aug. 19, 2004[br]Yes. Idoru's would be possible and even…well, not common, that is a hell of a lot of code to make a star, but they would be about.

Oh the possibilities….

Of course, that is a very good point Murphy. But the bulk of 'popular' culture would be ignorant to a lot of the current musical production. Hell, pop music these days lacks quality, it is utterly garbage for the most part. I'm sure there would be audiophiles and all sorts of geeks and gooks that love oddities from the past, but on the whole and large…I'm thinking Frank Sinatra would be a lost refreance in the Mix.

(No offence to the player who dropped a Frank Sinatra reference today, I'm not picking on you, but it is the most recent in a long line of occurances.)

Can anyone here name the top ten popular musicians from 1920?

I assume you mean the 1920s. There wasn't exactly a Rolling Stones Top 10 back then. Blues, jazz, and classical  were the sounds of the time. Louie Armstrong basically dominated the Jazz scene. A lot of very famous composers  from the 40's and 50's were actually getting their start durring the 1920's, writing music that wouldn't be discovered for another 20 years.

But if I had to guess at who the most popular artists (independant of genres), my guesses would be:

Louie Armstrong (And the Hot 5)
Fats Wallar
Robert Jordan (althogh he's technically even older than that)
George Gershwin
Sergei Rachmaninoff (or Rachmaniniov)
Igor Stravinski
Arnold Schoenberg
Tommy Dorsey (bigger in the 30s but got his start in the 20s)
Paul Whiteman
Bertolt Brecht
Francwois Poulenc
Sergei Prokofieff (or Prokofiev)
Benny Goodman
Jellyroll Morton

I've never attended a single class of Music Appreaciation, nor have I ever had any formal education in the matter. And you'll have to forgive me if I horribly misspelled any of their names… I didn't google for any of them, so it's entirely possible I'm way off.

But to return to the point at hand, I'm (I expect) a VERY rare exception. Most people, were you to ask them about these people, would probablly stare blankly at you.

-Kevlar

Just to annoy people:

Strauss; Bethoven; Verdi; Vivaldi; Bach; Villa Lobos;

From the top of my head… and some of them are more than a century old...

BAH! Can we talk about SD music now.

*huffs about with his feathers in a ruffle*

:cool:

Iga, this topic uhm.. rocks. This is a free flow of thought on my part� s�cuse the mess.

I can see sampling beyond anything that�s done now and cross-pollination of genres taken to a pinnacle. Maybe entire tribute tracks made up from keynotes hit by Frank Sinatra during his peek years. The album released as a fundraiser by the "Blue Eyed Wonders", gun smugglers and day care company cum label…  (Side note #1: Microsoft Word does not have Sinatra in its dictionary� ) A whole song made up of backwards sampled Cure records sped up and thrown with resampled Wal-Mart Training Videos? (Side note #2:Wal-Mart is in the MW dictionary)  I mean, right now you have rock-folk, acid techno jazz, gravely blues with a backbeat and a sample taken from a happy hardcore track, shoffle (which is like the beat of a dear tripping happily through the woods while being chased by drunk hunters), spoken word punk, russian flamenco, sampled and mixed Prez Bush speeches with lounge beats, Hindi rap, native rap in french. It�s all out there already...

Doubt there would be any real �underground� to speak of, musically (if there ever was�).  More like musical tastes and styles associated with certain groups and gangs. Certain areas of the city, certain cross-sections of the population. Sort of like now but more extreme musical divisions almost tribal in their nature and rabid identification to a specific �media identity� coupled with mixed and intermixed cultural identities. The idea of "music as identity' taken to the personal extreme. In a culture that�s already very divided along economic and class lines, that isn�t hard too imagine� Gang wars over music? *thinks* Any �official� media icon (live or digital) would probably tow the official Withmore line.  Would the idea of independant production thrive in Withmore or would the production/distribution pipelines be severly limited, therefor limiting the music?

Corps could have music piped into lobbies, streets, parks, rehashed, resample unidentifiable mood music to calm peoples nerves, like today�s pop but (god forbid) blander with electronic birds chirping away over a whispered and soothing voice explaining how it�s good to be a dome citizen?

Music as code? In a society under surveillance, the amount of beats, the tone, the modularity of the notes, the length of pauses, the syllibals in lyrics, once decoded could hold a message.

Music right now is heavily tied into technology, so maybe that could be another thing, differenet formats of media.. The underground is the music not tied into the media production monoply?

Just my uneducated ramble.

Now� What I want to know is why in gods name they�re playing Phil Collins on my favorite station�

(Edited by Bias at 5:33 pm on Aug. 19, 2004)

Corps could have music piped into lobbies, streets, parks, rehashed, resample unidentifiable mood music to calm peoples nerves, like today�s pop but (god forbid) blander with electronic birds chirping away over a whispered and soothing voice explaining how it�s good to be a dome citizen?

Now that's thinking! I love it!

"Obeying the law is good, and good for you. A happy life is a crime free life. Be kind to your fellow citizens. Enjoy the sites the city has to offer. Withmore City: We care about you!"

*chuckle* Great stuff.

-Kevlar

Or, to steal a line from THX-1198:

"Buy and be well…"


Great ideas in there Bias. I -LOVE- the idea of gang wars over music. And things like beat-box competitions on the street. The entire idea of tribalism should be massive in the hyper-compressed world of Withmore City. Gangs would be one thing. But Tribes...Tribes in cyberpunk are gangs that are distilled down to a point of obsession. You don't have hommies. You have tribe-mates. You have -FAMILY-. And in a world full of lost children, starving mothers, and down-trodden masses, FAMILY is of utmost importance.

And Music is a definate unifier of groups. And with 65 million in the city, there would be an endless number of musical groups, genre, cultures, undergrounds, overgrounds, and commercializations. Withmore would be the home of the 30 day fad.

So, with that in mind, perhaps the goal of every player should be to try to 'create' a genre or mindset for musical expansion in the game world.

Say, a group of people called the 'El Ayor' who are a traveling tribe of neo-punk breakbeat junkies who communicate through a complex series of drum beats and spoken word lyrics. No talking. Just constant beats and music, slapped out with claps, stomps, and gutteral vocal noises. Emotions come through as increases in tempos, dischordanant beat and sound patterns...

*shrugs*

Just ramblings.

So, with that in mind, perhaps the goal of every player should be to try to 'create' a genre or mindset for musical expansion in the game world.

Nah, man. That's not rambling.

That's Sooth-saying Spidy Truth. Stick some Air Jesuses on that baby, smack it on it's ass, and let 'er rip on the population at large.

Everyone, instead of trying to revive their favorite 85 year old genre/band/artist, should be challenging themselves to envision what music would be like in 2089.

Think Rap and hip-hop would still be popular? I'm willing to wager that 85 years ago people would have said EXACTLY the same thing: that blues, jazz, big band, and classical would still be the style of music people listen to. And we see how silly that seems now.

But that's, very literally, the change that will have taken place: The same change that seperate Jazz and classical from Rap will seperate the music of today from the music of 2089.

No ones saying it would have been forgotten, but it would be about as common as Big Band concerts are today. Thoes who acutally did seek it out would be old fogies who can't keep up with the times.

That's a good way to think about it actually: Place todays music in the same frame of reference as you place the music your great grandmother listens to.

I'm dead serious. Do it. What happens?

It's hard, isn't it? How could something which your so into right now possibly be compared to something so drastically different as to be completely incompareable except to say they're both 'music'? How could something so moving and upbeat be relegated to the same class as the stuff you consider absolute crap. No, worse than absolute crap: It's unlistenable. Untollerable. Just catching a passing glimpse makes you want to claw your ears off.

But that's EXACTLY what you should do to get in character, because that's exactly the mindset people will have: It's exactly the same mindset people have right now, just applied to the music of 2089 instead of 2004.

A mixer listening to the music of 2004 is about as likely as my great grandmother voulentarilly listening to Eminem or Ice-T: It just isn't happening.

-Kevlar

I love this topic Iga.  One thing though.  I can quote lyrics from hundres of old songs whom I haven't the faintest idea who wrote, from 100-10 years ago.  I can him the notes to old jazz, and classical.  I think even in 2089 people would know who Elvis is.  Just like people know who bethoven is.  I think Tupac will still be a known name.  Maybe even Eminem.  Maybe they don't know the actual name of the artist, but the lyrics or beat stick around.  

More and more today, you see rap artists remixing old songs.  From the 40-60's, and classical.  Bethovan has probably reached more people in the last 2 years just because of that rap song that whatever there name is put out, then he did in the peak of his fame, while he was still living.

I think music from this age, and after will stick around in a digital form.  Anyone interested can jsut look it up on the grid!

Anyways..   What about Neo Rap!?  Ganger and rich corpies children music.  I love that idea.  Rich ass teens living on blue listening to ghetto mixer music.

I think that tupac may be known but I am upset that eminem made it to today. But I mean I still love "zoot suit riot" by the cherry popping daddies and stuff and they are form the forties. But elvis is gonna be known in my opinion in 2089. And so are most of the other great artists.
Gotta have Danzig too. I don't care what anyone says either. Danzig is tha man.
*agrees with biohazard*
Cherry Poppin Daddies are from the late 90's mano. Not the 40's

Swing is from the 40's, not CPD.

And Eminem is the fucking bomb. Love him.

And the point isn't that music from 'now' isn't in the game world, it would be. The point is that music from 'now' isn't in the mainstream of popular culture. (Like, honestly, how many people listen to jazz?)

Always remember what popular culture is: That which is massively popular.

Bring on the Babysmashers. The Fuji-Yamma and the Sino-Rap-Allstars. The Kiko Lovebirds.

NWA!!
Quote: from Biohazard on 9:23 pm on Nov. 2, 2004[br]Gotta have Danzig too. I don't care what anyone says either. Danzig is tha man.

You'd think so, until you see the video of him getting his ASS KICKED. hahahahahaha.

No, I still think Danzig is tha man. See, unlike you, In the land of music, I don't care who can kick who's ass. It's not really the point….
Well, i actually do care about restless attempts at solo careers after i ruin the best thing that happened to me.
Actually, that's not even to bring up the fact that HE cares if he can kick someone's ass. I think you must be confused.

"I think you must be confused."
Ha.

I'm not going to take this any further off topic then you have, so shove it.

now now kids, no need to be rude.

Who's Danzig? And why should I care?

So, like, remixes of bad 80's hip-hop at double speed over theme tracks from 80's action flicks over top of hard hitting hardcore bass lines.

So. Hot.

Danzig was lead vocals for the Misfits till he broke off and went solo.
Danzig -is- the man.

And Misfits never gets old, it's one of the few that you can listen to a million times and then that million and oneth (dunno if that's a word) is still cool as hell.

Call me old school, but I still like Black Flag, that was back in the day, I still like Iggy Pop too.

A little side note, just considering your a black flag fan.

The drum shop that i go to, up in ft collins colorado called "Colorado Drum and Percussion" is Bill Stevenson's drum shop….(being the drummer for black flag, descendents, and now Only Crime).

that guy also owns a recording studio called the blasting room now, where almost every good band under the sun seems to try to get in to record something.

just trivia you might enjoy.

Has anyone hear heard The Mad Capsule Markets? Japanese, but not exactly sickly sweet. It's pretty fuckin' 'cyberpunk'.