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Withmore Political System

There has GOT to be more to the politics in Withmore City than evil corps and the poor trodden on people of Red.

Are there elected officials of any kind? Who elects them? Are they accountable in any way? Do they have names and faces and dirty little secrets? Is it just a bunch of ex-CEO's pulling strings like the timeline suggests? Is there a mayor of Withmore City? Or is the city/state run like a small country, having a president or head of council or whatever?

Are there taxes? A tax system?

Some input on the matter would be really good.

There is a city councel…
Hrm… lets put a little scenario in place...

The city is run by corps. We have known that forever. Here is the political system as I see it...

Corps control the WJF... WJF control the people... The People buy things to give the corps money... The cycle continues.

Theres politics for you... one group fucking another over... though it gives GREAT RP!!!!

Actually, that is awfully simplified.

What about the political figures? The people of Withmore, at least the wage-slaves and higher, would want to vote right? So WHO do they vote for? And what kind of voter apathy are we looking at in withmore? High I'd imagine…probably only 5-7 percent voter turn out.

These detail may sound un-important, but they are not.

I'm looking for positions and stuff here. Names too, though introduced to us all in an IC manner, over the telly or something. i think the names of the people running the political and economic structure of the dome would be in the news regularly.

Heh, you think this is a democracy?
I'd like to point EVERYONE at Judge Dredd…

The whole Judge thing there was actual Justice. Now, throw in what Rico and Griffin wanted to do... and you have OUR WJF... Heh, kinda ironic that the JD Judges that were like ours got screwed over in the end, ain't it?

Just a little idea maker...

To simplify to extreme…

The WJF run the city. The WJF is under the leadership of a council of Justices, presided over by the Chief Justice. The Judges are their army and enforcers of their laws.

Yes, there is no doubt a vast amount of corruption and corp shenanigans going on at the top, but you'll have to find out about that within the game.

No, you don't have the power to vote for anyone. There is no mayor, there are no lawyers or legal representatives, there are no political parties, there -is- the WJF. Actually, technically it's the WHJ that deals with all that shit, the WJF being their 'justice force'.

It's really what you people aren't getting and why Lucifer appears not to have a clue. You weren't shafted by a corrupt Judge, you have no claim against the WJF, no-one in any place of power really cares. You're a nobody. You're vote doesn't matter, your politically influence is non-existent, your misfortunes are but a tiny fleck of dust on the trophy of Withmore leadership.

Now, I've lost count of how many times I've typed this, so read it -very- VERY carefully. Judges are -the- law. They are judge, jury and executioner. You have no right to legal representation, you have no right to appeal. If you break the law and are caught, or even if you didn't break the law but are somehow faced with a Judge who thinks or decides you did, you will be judged on the spot and sentenced.
I know, you are thinking this is open to abuse, it is, but ICly Judges are a select force of people who are chosen to uphold the law, they are checked and their ability to do their job is constantly monitored. Severly corrupt Judges may eventually fall, and the punishment for a rogue Judge is not something they want to think about...

What you have to get through your head is that when you face a Judge you are -NOT- facing a cop. This isn't Joe Schmo Beatcop, this is -the- LAW, empowered with the full authority in all fields to carry out their duty as necessary. Now figure, you'd be a damned fool to continually verbally abuse and ridicule a New York street cop. He'd -easily- find a way to fuck you over and -EASILY- get away with it. So trust me, ridiculing a Judge is like signing your death warrant. Yes, WJF Enforcers are powerful and can only be used by Judges. You think this is unfair? Cry me a bucketful. Do you complain to the president of the USA that it's unfair how cops get to carry big guns, drive powerful cars, use handcuffs and beat you down when necessary coz it's 'unfair'? 'Scuse me while I laugh my ass off.

Get off your sad pathetic power trip, check your ego, put your wee lil baby boo-boo's to bed and play the fucking game. Seek revenge, crawl away with your tail between your legs, start again, fight to get everything you've lost back, do -something-. Do ANYTHING. Just quit crying about how you were 'fucked over' and spouting pseudo-OOC sobs and bitches over the SIC network.

You worked to build up alot, then you got too cocky with it, so you got a kick in the balls. But you've still got a shit load more than many people, so -DEAL- with it.

Trust me on one thing, no admin does anything of severe consequence without consulting first with several other admin. We don't do things out of personal dislike, OOC hatred or because we feel like abusing someone. We do them as IC responses to IC actions in an IC world and we like nothing more than to see it spawn quality RP. When you respond by bitching out the admin involved, throwing OOC accusations and generally being a complete cock about it you're doing yourself -NO- favors. Every bitch and whine pushes the level of admin (and no doubt player) respect for you down the scale, then, when you've successfully managed to piss off every admin on the MOO, will you find out what it is like to have OOC effect your IC...

And finally, yes, this is in many ways rather specific in who it's about, but truely it is meant as a general post for -all- to take heed of. There's no malice intended in this post and I only hope that it will serve as a useful post to many players as much as I'm hoping it will prove useful to the person it makes an example of.


Ahh... and no doubt there will be some readers who knew me on EM who're thinking I'm one fucked up hypocritical bastard. Well, yep, going by that post you're perfectly entitled to say that, I'm not perfect, I'm far from always right, but I am human (allegedly). -Any- player who slips from the creative RP path into the bitter, seething netherworld of OOC distain is -more- than welcome to mend their ways and return to the fold in my book, I won't bear grudges or malice.

To err is human, to deny it is CS admin.

*sniffs and wipes his eye*

You never cease to amaze me Rastus… very poetic...

Yeah. Umm. So basically, baring rant and stuff, there is no 'political' system in withmroe? Just WHJ, who have a council, who have a council head, which is made up mostly of ex-ceo's in cushy patronage possitions? The Judges being the enforcing arm, the Council setting down the rules for the Judges. yes? Is that the chian of command? cools…understanding...

...no elected officials?! Jesus...damn corpie bastards!!

Aight. Guess it is as simple as Lucifer made it out to be. Thanks.

That's my understanding of the situation. Johnny may be able to clarify or correct me in places, but for the most part that's how it is.
Hmmm um rastus…although I do LOVE your rants, I don't think anybody was bitching about anything...cept for lucifer he bitches about everything;)j/k Luc.......I think nic was just wondering about the overall govt system of the dome......

and he does have a good point

obvously we have SIC ads for the british motor corp so withmore has to do trade with other parts of teh world, would atleast the corpse have lawyers, so if Sath or Nic or Luc or whoever wanted to bring up a civil suite the corps would just laugh but maybe make it like a big circus to gain political appeal and destroy the IC reputations of groups like TOA and such......just a thought though

Civil law and corp law are two -entirely- different things. The corps don't answer to street Judges except in street/civil dealings with individual corporates. Corporate business law has legal advisors and a court system. Then chances of any of you ever reaching the court rooms is -very- slim, since for the most part justice will be dispensed on you by the Judge at the scene.
But what if Sam_Guest tries to bring up a civil suite against a corperation….the judges wouldn't trial you on the street cause you didn't do anything wrong...right? or am I just completely offf base here?


IRS:37% of your base are belong to us.

How would that happen?  The corps own the place so why would they even allow a suit against themselves?
Maybe its anti-militant group that has been slandering the "good" name of the suits. And corprate apeal is going down…so in order to reclaim that they say "sure, *snicker* you can have a trial"

obviously the trial would be fixed and yadda yadda yadda, but don't you think they might do that? It ~IS~ a possibility right? maybe not but I think they'd do it.

Kinda like Phillip Morris donating big bucks to child care centers and antismoking ads

Either that or they would just eliminate the opposition.
Didn't Clint have a trial way back when?
Yes, because Bishop refused to listen to me.
Heh, anyone wanna fix those damn taxies? Or are they more scary then Damon's NLM Boards?