ATM's in the Mix

It's seems a bit more realistic to see if you think about it, corporates people dont want to see mixers, so they put a ATM to keep them away.

And as for a cloning facility on RED, I imagie they have it on GOLD so the law can control who gets a clone. They don't wan't Banished people getting a clone, they want them to die.

But I might be a little mixed up.

I still think ATM's would be more realistic. Even today they are everywhere.

Think of the money required to install and maintain an ATM anywhere on red... for customers the bank doesn't even want.

I mean, look at the state of most of the StreetTerms that are around - they're not exactly well-cared for, and there's no chyen stored within them, is there :)

That said, mixers have no money - no formal corporate employment means no regular income means no money. Simple.
There's no point in catering to that market as, from the bank's perspective, there is no market.

Quote: from Salvatore on 10:23 pm on Mar. 21, 2006[br]

Quote: from Xeethot on 4:44 pm on Mar. 21, 2006[br]Add an ATM to the mix and you'll have a missing ATM in less than 8 hours.

That's why it would be put it in a place like Carnal, or Deji-Patch. Nobody is going to try to steal an ATM right in front of the bartender, at least nobody that wouldnt try to steal an ATM on GREEN or GOLD.

With an ambient population of 65 million people, at least half must live on RED. Most of them do their own shady work, and what little chyen they do make they want to keep. They dont want to get it taken away by someone who figured out their code, they want it safe. And 32.5 million with a -little- bit of money is the same as 4 or 5 million with a lot of money. If a good percentage of them out their money not devoted to rent or whatever into a bank account, where they knew it was safe, it would create quite a market. So, Chienne, I have to disagree with you, if only a few thousand cyen are deposited by a few -million- more people, that's quite a market. And I would imagine the bank would gain more customers, as money would be more readily available to them, they wouldnt have to go to the bank on GOLD to get it.

And for once, I think RP has to move to the side for realism. Even today in 7-11's in the most Ghetto towns have ATM's, and on most corners near busy shopping malls, like Ashlin MallPlex for instance, has an ATM. They are in most nightclubs, gas stations, outside a lot of the more expensive stores, and probably in or around most clinics and markets. The area, with the ambient population, is much to busy around most of these areas for someone to walk in and take an ATM unnoticed, and even if they did, there would be no source of power so it would be utterly useless. It isnt like they could be just picked up and drug off, if you've seen an ATM, even today, they are pretty big and would take two people to drag it a few feet, or a truck/van to take it any farther than that, and I doubt agents/security forces are going to not notice a couple guys dragging an ATM down the street to their van.

Biohazard, what makes you think that Mixers would want to keep their money in a money house? I mean, Mixers and Corpies are all looking for the same thing, money and power, and you can bet that the second either of those two groups get that money, they're going to try their best in order to keep it. Which means feeling much more secure if it is in a bank vault guarded by a bunch of guys with SMG's, whatever, and a task force of judges right next door. They may not like the law, but they will use it's power to thei radvantage… well the smarter ones anyway. I think one thingt hat we way too much is make Mixers and Corpies seem like exact opposites.... sure they may live in different parts of town, one might make more than the other, and make it legally. But int he end, they are all in search of that one thing, they are in search of power.

Sorry, this was a rather long post.

Becuase the WJF is the FBI, The LAPD, The CIA, and the Army, as well as the IRS all rolled into one, and they can freeze your assets if they want to. Not to mention Deckers can rape your savings accounts pretty easily.

Quote: from Salvatore on 10:37 pm on Mar. 21, 2006[br]

Quote: from Biohazard on 10:31 pm on Mar. 21, 2006Becuase the WJF is the FBI, The LAPD, The CIA, and the Army, as well as the IRS all rolled into one, and they can freeze your assets if they want to. Not to mention Deckers can rape your savings accounts pretty easily.

Than why would corpies who make ten times as much money want to put it into an insecure area where Deckers could rape their savings? If what you're saying is true than -everyone- would want a money house, instead of those unstable banks. And the WJF would only freeze your account if you're doing something wrong with you're money, or dong something illegal all together. SO yea, some of the higher up criminals would want to avoid a bank account, but at the same time, with 65 million accounts it would be pretty hard to track down, and so they would only truly bother with really high profile bank accounts.

I'm just poseing hypothetical situations as to why people should have money houses and not soley rely on the banking system thinking it is money protection +2.  

As to ATM's, they just dont seem realistic becuase the mix is like the wild west.

Chummer A is dragging it down the street with chummer B to their van, Agent A offers him a hand in return for a peice of the pie. Everyone of status in the banking world thinks of mixers as scum not to be trusted.
sorry if some of this is incoherent. I am hung over.

Quote: from Salvatore on 5:25 pm on Mar. 22, 2006[br]…So if it costs what? Maybe 10K to setup an ATM, and a user charge of what? We'll say 20 chyen, make it expensive, because we -are- scum and deserve to be taxed out the ass...

20c is not expensive.

And, with the ambient population of your 32.5million people, I'm sure there's probably a group of maybe ten of them who'd go to a bar, knock out the bartender and the security, and drag out the ATM to break it open later. Who knows - maybe more than one group. Maybe a group of more people.

Just because the playerbase of mixers wouldn't do it doesn't mean there aren't scum out there who would. And they'd do it in Harlem today as well - especially if they knew they had the anonymity afforded them by the massive population.

Quote: from Salvatore on 4:53 pm on Mar. 22, 2006[br]…And 32.5 million with a -little- bit of money is the same as 4 or 5 million with a lot of money. If a good percentage of them out their money not devoted to rent or whatever into a bank account, where they knew it was safe, it would create quite a market. So, Chienne, I have to disagree with you, if only a few thousand cyen are deposited by a few -million- more people, that's quite a market. And I would imagine the bank would gain more customers, as money would be more readily available to them, they wouldnt have to go to the bank on GOLD to get it.

You're missing the point that the banks don't want your dirty stinkin' mixer chyen. They don't want to associate with you. They don't want you in their establishment. You are trash, you are scum, you are almost worse than the rats you fight for food. They don't want you.

Plus, y'know, you (mixer scum) make less in a year than yr bottom-end corpie makes in a week, so what's the point of dedicating time and effort and computer memory to your records when it could be much better spent calculating compound interest on the money Ethan Westun earned from one episode of Badlands Bruiser?

ATMs topside are a pain in the ass 1970s technology anyway. If mixers want to own and operate there own little things in the form of a local cooperative bank then that makes sense.

But Mixers getting cash - paper money - through Withmore Savings Bank, no matter what Pathetic premium they could charge (would 99.9% of starving mixers pay a premium on their paltry savings just to keep their money in a respectable bank?) is stupid.

Giving out cash or offering mixers a bank account is worse than fucking charity.

I actually have a seperate problem with why paper money is still being printed, but maybe a previous thread addressed this. Mixers should be using ragged piece of shit bills/toilet paper like things.

Crisp new corporate bills, should they exist, must stand out like gold bricks.

Look... Banks in the 21st century don't even make all that much money on normal savings accounts. The interest rate on WSB savings accounts is if I recall correctly fucking wonderful.

Bottom line -

Paper money is dated. WSB would not run a service in the Mix. ATMs don't just shit money out. They have to be serviced. There have to be armored trucks carrying money to them. 32 million people with a couple thousand? So there's many billions of chyen floating around the mix in paper money? So sticking one or two ATMs in a club is going to service 32 million people? The whole fucking club would have to shut down if any worthwhile percentage of those poor bastards decided to use the damn things.

It could just be a fortress for the ATM with a long ass line down the block and people ripping each others throats out for cutting in front.

The costs associated with running an ATM in the Mix would most likely far outstrip the potential (zero?) earnings.

Recycle your own dirty chyen! Stuff your mattresses...

Quote: from Chienne on 2:33 am on Mar. 22, 2006 And, with the ambient population of your 32.5million people, I'm sure there's probably a group of maybe ten of them who'd go to a bar, knock out the bartender and the security, and drag out the ATM to break it open later. Who knows - maybe more than one group. Maybe a group of more people.

Just because the playerbase of mixers wouldn't do it doesn't mean there aren't scum out there who would. And they'd do it in Harlem today as well - especially if they knew they had the anonymity afforded them by the massive population.

Quote: from Salvatore on 4:53 pm on Mar. 22, 2006[br]…And 32.5 million with a -little- bit of money is the same as 4 or 5 million with a lot of money. If a good percentage of them out their money not devoted to rent or whatever into a bank account, where they knew it was safe, it would create quite a market. So, Chienne, I have to disagree with you, if only a few thousand cyen are deposited by a few -million- more people, that's quite a market. And I would imagine the bank would gain more customers, as money would be more readily available to them, they wouldnt have to go to the bank on GOLD to get it.

They don't want you in their establishment.[/]

No, you're missing the point.

[quote] Quote: from Salvatore, [br]But at the same time for those who do have a measly little bank account, and that measly little chyen, the corporates that work on GOLD don't want greasy slime-balled looking Mixers in their establishments. They would much rather put at ATM down in their area of living, so they dont have to see them as much.

It's seems a bit more realistic to see if you think about it, corporates people dont want to see mixers, so they put a ATM to keep them away.

My entire argument is that they don't wan't to see us, they don't want to smell us, they don't want to hear us or even think about us. But because there ICly would be too many accounts to figure out who has chyen and who doesnt. Realitically ATM's -would- be present in Carnal, and if you dont think the security is good enough, than you havent visited Carnal. And ICly with the ambient population there would be more than 10 people to use the ATM.

Or something like that.

A corpie savings bank would do this to get rid of Mixers visiting their part of the city, the way they see it, that's 10K to get rid of them.

And if you think 20chyen isnt much, than lets make it 100c, make it even and all that.

Quote: from ReeferMadness on 11:02 pm on Mar. 25, 2006[br]Because all we need is wannabe's hiding, and assaulting punks with  bank accounts. Yesh. yesh. Thats what I want. An easy way to exploit.

You wanna use a bloody bank account: pay the measly 45 chy and go topside. Life on RED ain't convenient its hard as fucking hell. In fact, it is hell. The whole point of the damn experience is tenacity. Deal with it.  All we need is one more way for you to be taken advantage of and you complain. Life is hard. The mix is harder.

But at the same time, the point of this game isnt to make life impossible on the Mix, if you are -at- the bar, and your run out of money, or need that fix, you -dont- want to pay the measly 45 chy to go topside to get more chy to go back down and buy another drink. So it would benefit the bar, it would beefit the bank. And although there may not be that big of a market as far as people with large bank accounts. They -would- however be able to make enough money to at least fund an ATM down there, to keep the Mixers down there.

Life may be hard in the Mix, but even today we have ATM's in the shittiest parts of town. So why would a bank look around and say, "Ya know what, they dont need an ATM, regardless that they make up 45%(give or take) of our customers, lets make their lives miserable so they have to come up here to get money. Regardless that they smell bad, are loud, and lose us business, but let's do that so they -have- to come up here."
I just cant see a bank saying that, especially whe a business could buy the ATM, because it will bring them more business.

Quote: from ReeferMadness on 11:21 pm on Mar. 25, 2006[br]Lies. :bollox:

::never lies::

An ATM would make the bank money… what it -wants- to do make money.

If you can manipulate the system than thats good for you, but there are somethings you just cant get without money. And some mixers dont want to walk around with that money, so 2 minutes before there big meeting they run over and get it, and they dont have to worry about being jump while carrying 25K to buy that crate of drugs for nearly as long as before.

I just see it being much more realistic...does anybody know the definition of a Mixer? It's a guy who lives in the mix I would imagine, any more detailed and you would begin to cut people out. And what is the definition of a corpie? I would imagine a guy working behind a desk all day, and still not making a lot of chyen. The truth is... nobody would make a lot of money unless their job was vital to the company. Otherwise they would pay them enough to keep a cube, nice things andmoney to go out on the weekends.Other than that corpies would be pretty broke.

Red is like a mutant zoo land. I'd be surprised if most senior management of WSB even believed Mixers could operate an ATM, let alone deal with the legal problems that inevitably arise from DIRTY MONEY.

On this point, I think bank accounts for Mixers should be removed. Mixers don't deserve bank accounts. OOCly it's not so easy to set up a bank account.. you need proof of a permanent address.

If a corp. has your back than Okay, but it doesn't make sense that Mixers get bank accounts. Miixers' life savings are stuffed in their shoe or up their ass.

If you are a really slick criminal though you would find a way to LAUNDER your money.

**MORE SHIT SHOULD BE DONE TO MAKE CHYEN DERIVED FROM ILLEGAL SOURCES HARDER TO ENTER MAINSTREAM CIRCULATION (I.E. DEPOSITS IN A SAVINGS BANK)**

Withmore needs an IRS!

Judge: You are going to tell me what I want to know.
Mixer: I ain't no snitch baka!!
Judge: *scans with Tac-Comp and presses button*
Mixer: *eyes*
Judge: Your bank accounts are frozen until I get what I want to know.

Not only is that IC (Since Judges are basicly all powerful) but it would give Mixers and IC reason NOT to have a bank account!  I mean, in real life, thats why criminals keep there money in safes instead of in the bank right?

(Edited by Nemisis at 12:45 am on Mar. 27, 2006)

:P

I'm evil. EVIL!

So, I think we could swing a shitty ATM at Carnal one day, maybe one that charges service fees.

As to a shitty clone tank on Red, it's been discussed in the past, and is on the list, but has not had a chance to be implimented at this time.

Cheers.

It's also a matter of the overall status quo.  Do the corpies really want large numbers of dirt poor peices of trash walking along there prestine streets in paper suits begging for the chyen to get a mag-lev back to the mix?

By large numbers I mean thousands, on RED where 65 million people live, there are going to be say.. 3-7 million who have scraped together enough chyen to get a clone (after years of hard work and saving) and on RED where crime is rampant and murder is a daily thing, there must be around.. a thousand mixers that clone every day right?

I mean, I've been on the MOO days where gang wars have been going on.. and there have literarly been like 50 or 60 deaths that day.  That is -just- in the small corner of the mix thats playable ICly..

I can't see the Judges, Corps, or anyone else allowing thousands of freshly cloned peices of trash to walk the streets of GOLD daily.

I think its more IC to assume that there are already cloning facilitys on RED, but they are run down and the characters we play choose to use the Genetek facility on GOLD because there equipment is better, even if the cost is higher.