I believe this has been brought up before, but I don't think an approved history should be necessary to work at SHI…I think removing this factor would do nothing to hurt the game, and might at least give newcomers something to toy with, if nothing else.
Now where's my tinfoil hat again?
Writing a history is one of the first things newbies are encouraged to do, and allowing them more privileges before they do so won't �help anyone. �What are the reasons you think they should be able to work at SHI? Is there some way this would benefit the game that I don't see? You didn't really say why you are in favor of this.
(Edited by Athena at 8:06 am on July 2, 2003)
So, if you actually think about it, you'll see that what you're trying to prevent, is actually what you're intensifying.
Quote: from Lotus on 4:26 pm on July 2, 2003[br]You're not keeping them from 'more priveleges', you're keeping them from doing anything to get going whatsoever.
They're not keeping them from writing a history.
*boggles*
Quote: from Lotus on 11:26 am on July 2, 2003[br]you're keeping them from doing anything to get going whatsoever.
Not at all. If they have a fair idea of how the combat system works, they can go around beating the crap out of some people and taking their shit, to sell at the market.
They're keeping them from doing anything legal to get going.
I think of history approval as the time it takes to get your citizenship papers/visa cleared, and that's how I roleplayed it when I first started.
Quote: from Johnny on 1:30 pm on July 2, 2003[br]I could solve this by requiring the history before you step foot in the dome. I bet you'd scream at that one though. :biggrin:
*grins* and this would be a negative why?
(Edited by Protagonist at 5:42 am on July 2, 2003)
Quote: from Johnny on 9:30 pm on July 2, 2003[br]I could solve this by requiring the history before you step foot in the dome.
Gets my vote.
And Johnny, I actually want you to do that. Maybe when 4 months go by and not a single new player has joined the game and stayed, you'll see the error.
no, don't do that, as murph states it is completely possible to play without a history, and give people without a experience to sd a chance to get hooked.
nobody will come, in addition to the fact that I want to try to play a crime-only no history charcter If I
(god forbid) die.
not for the fact that I don't want to write a history (hell I may even do it evantully) but for the fact that It would be a cool challenge not to be able to get any honest work.
either way, I'm against it.
Just a note too any newbies who are reading this, if I am about and find you running about stealing and doing a pile of stuff without a history, I'll ask you to write one ASAP, and it -BETTER- coincide with the crap you are doing or I'll lock you in RP limbo untill you -DO- write a history.
Running about without a history, doing all sorts of IC interactions can result in -BIG- problems IC/OOC if you make a history that does not support your actions.
Also, if you run about without a history and rob/kill/maim/steal from people, you will be busted for Twinking out so fast your head will smash through your monitor. That is the sort of shit you do on a MUD. You are here to bloody role play, not 'get money' and 'get jobs' and 'get guns'. This is a ROLEPLAYING ENVIRONMENT.
So basically, if you don't want to make a history, you are saying you don't want to ROLEPLAY, and in saying that you are saying you definately do not want to be here.
So just write a fakin history. It's not rocket science.
Quote: from Lotus on 12:29 am on July 3, 2003[br]Alright Ras, my off-and-on dislike for you aside, would please at least be mature enough to actually bother typing something at least remotely constructive if you're going to bother to post?
I know, I know. I understand your pain, but when you post things like… "And Johnny, I actually want you to do that. Maybe when 4 months go by and not a single new player has joined the game and stayed, you'll see the error." without any proof, evidence, logic or explanation I get all…RAR! HULK SMASH!... feeling. People keep complaining about my offensive posts, so I try to be short and sweet... and people complain. I can't win...
I've seen numerous M*'s that demand not only detailed character histories on first login or registration, but demand a far greater level of detail, content and effort of the submission than SD does. None of these M*'s are short of players, thus your claim is... utter bollocks.
The incoming player base would be effected, but since right now the immediate problem isn't the shortage of incoming players, but the shortage of players that are staying for an extended period, it's not really the issue.
Christ, even CS requires a history submission when you first @register (though not for every character there-after). They're not short of incoming players. And besides that they have a number of other policies and proceedures that further thin the stream of newbies at first contact...
Now, I accept you may not see things the way I do and probably don't agree, but that there is evidence that suggests otherwise. If you have evidence or opinions that suggest otherwise, then I'd love to hear them, but so long as you make unjustified claims like that I'll just keep on replying with :knob:.
Just for reference, I'd like you to explain what purpose you think a history �serves
I think a history not only puts you in better touch with the charcter you are playing, by making him more personal, it also gives you a background to use when making IC decisions. �
for instance one of the people I was playing with suggested I join this certan gang, and since my charcter was plaqued with gang problems in his past "history" he decided that gangs weren't what he wanted to go back to at this time. �
I know there are other little things that history is good for, but you asked me what I think a history means to me so there ya go.
and IGA before you smite the charcter I havne't even created yet (and hopefully don't get a chance to crate anytime soon) �to clarify, I didn't mean that I was going to raise up and rebel aginst the history system and never get one. �my main point was it would be fun to try to make a charcter with no benifit from legal employment. �
I do have a question (please don't get offended like some others do far too easily, �it's a question not a put-down)
if I'm a newbie why shouldn't I lie/cheat/ steal/kill (other than the fact that I'll get my ass kicked) this is a CYBERPUNK moo right?
those are huge elements of the the CYBERPUNK �genre right. �I know we need to 'RP' but if all 'rp' involves is who can make the nicest clothes form the best fabric than I don't want to 'RP'
(sorry I know you said nothing abouth the clothes but my point and question is: isn't rob/kill/maim/stealing a part of CP roleplaying? how would any plot get started if everyone was nice, or at least non-violent, to everyone all the time. �it would be a city full of 'corpies'.
once again:
I'm not trying to talk trash (though I know I'm gonna hear it for the clothes comment…damn) just ask a question.
That's what people in do on MUDs, they play but don't roleplay. It would be advisable for you to get out of that mentality which clearly caused you to ask such a fundamentally apposed question.
Taint nuttin wrong wit killins. But if yous be killins witout an IC reason, you best be movin on, cause we be bringin da smack down in an IC manner to yo door.
And I commend you on wishing to make a character that does not have any 'legal' employment. But that doesn't mean you don't make a history. That means you write a history that says your character has never been able to hold or think of holding a legal job, so instead he runs drugs, kills, and steals for a living. You build a history to suit the character you are wishing to develop, and then go from there.
write a history that says your character has never been able to hold or think of holding a legal job, so instead he runs drugs, kills, and steals for a living. You build a history to suit the character you are wishing to develop, and then go from there.
yep,thanks for the advce IGA
that was 'pretty much' my idea from the beginnign the only reason I would wait on a history is because it would FORCE me not to take the easy out using SHI or WW. however you brought up a valid point (Without a single trace of judging me or saying I'm "wrong" by the way, thank you) about writing the history oriented in that direction. clearly I need to think on the matter more, and in any case my current charcter is alive and kicking (and I like him too) so I have more important things to consider at this time.
to protagonist
you know nothing about my mentality, your point is understood and taken, but I would appricate it if in the future you would not assume ANYTHING about me,because you don't fuckin know me and you can't read my fuckin' mind.
Quote: from Jotun on 7:14 pm on July 4, 2003[br]to protagonist
you know nothing about my mentality… ...but I would appricate it if in the future you would not assume ANYTHING about me,because you don't fuckin know me and you can't read my fuckin' mind. �
That's quite amusing, after all the "opinions" you've expressed about me, my language and my posting. I'm thinking that if you post and express your opinions, you're inviting people to express their opinion in return.
I mean, lookit… you object to my "childish and offensive" posting, then you post a whining expletive-loaded hissyfit like that AND you make presumptions about me but fall-down-go-boom when someone else does it to you.
By posting your opinion here you open yourself up to other peoples opinions, contrary or agreeable. Some of it you will find objectionable, can you say TOUGH SHIT? There used to be a disclaimer on the MOO login screen about objectional/mature content and advising people to log off if they would be offended... maybe it should be added back into the @rules or something.
Hmmm. Oyea... like... umm... read your own damned sig already.
REAP IT YA BASTARDS!!
I think it is fantastic that there are differant posting styles and thoughts. I see nothing wrong with it at all.
I personally like opinions, I like swears, I like the occasional childish ness and offensiveness and most of all I like throwing stones, cause I IS SINLESS!
*cough*
;)
