Posturing

In the current situation, anyone with hella stats can kill just about anyone.

Kamikaze after you block a hit.
Guarded after you make a hit.

Perhaps put more randomness into turn order? Or put a time lag between postures?

Maybe time between when you can change postures? I don't know. All I know right now, is that combat between two people that know what they are doing is just kamikaze, guarded, kamikaze, guarded... and kamikaze isn't really kamikaze because you rarely get hit. :P

just my 2 cents, I understand both sides of the argument.

If they go all out, they WILL get hit. Period.

I see what your saying, but you don't mean that there is a 100% �chance of you getting hit by going "all out", espically if your fighting someone who is stronger and faster than you are, do you?

(Edited by Jotun at 4:22 pm on Dec. 24, 2003)

Its gotten so bad sometimes that several minutes after the fight has ended I continue getting the "Your not in combat" message.  Lord knows what Aikao was trying to do during the fight itself, but now he's trying to go guarded or something when everything's finished.

Anyway, I don't know what the hell a solution would be, but yeah.  It does seem rather pointless with the current system.  Just posture kamikaze then posture guarded.   No one seems to use the other postures anymore from what I can tell.

And if they do it seems like they're in a disadvantage, doesn't it?

Also, look at the way stats are used in combat.  With people of similar stats, its generally the first person who gets in a hit that wins, because that hit completely fucks up the other person's stats.  Not sure if you can come back from this either, and if you can you must be one lucky bastard.

Going guarded foregoes all attacks but counter-attacks..

And AFAIK damage doesn't knacker your stats.

Going guarded foregoes all attacks but counter-attacks..

tis what I though, and why I never used it…........ though I already said that though didn't I .... � oh, well, sorry

:shrugs

(Edited by Jotun at 6:44 pm on Dec. 24, 2003)

Might make sense if brawlers with high endurance would be able to do better in a defensive or offensive posture…while agility would help in a kamikaze posture, and armor would get used more in a guarded posture.

*shrugs* i have no REAL thought put into what stat/skill sets would be best suited to which postures...but it's an idea.

-SM

And I'm sure we'll be looking at posture and how best to balance it better.

Usually.

Some fighting styles teach you to chess move your attacks, so you could, in theory, have a set time when you'd be defensive or offensive. I personally train in a martial art that teaches the opposite of this.

As to a perception check, that all depends.

If you are dropping to guarded, you have to imagine what you are actually doing here. You would pull away from the opponent, to create distance. You would bring in your arms and legs closer for protection, and you would be constantly doing things to stay out of the range of your opponent.

It is very hard to disguise that sort of activity. Basically impossible. Even if you were a grand master of kung fu or something, when you drop guarded, you -DROP- guarded. You become the impenitrable fortress.

Same in reverse for Kamikaze.

The only place I see any room for a perception check would be in the shifting between defensive, neutral, and offensive.

And this opens up a greater level of complexity in the code that I do not thing the coders are wanting to get into. I think the current agenda is to get what we have functional, then move on to advancing combat. (Like, gods, I miss throw and grenades a lot…wouldn't it be nice?)

Neat idea Luc, and parts I do agree with, but it comes down to sacrificing realism for functionality.

For this one hit, there were 4, count them 4 'effects' to the person taking the damage, one of which was the loss of health.

What the effects are and under what circumstances they happen isn't important. What is important is that your aware that getting hurt is becoming increasingly dangerous, and not something to be delt with lightly. And this trend is only going to increase as more subsystems are implemented, and more effects become possible.

-Kevlar

Some people work to subvert the system... I like to plot ways to do it. heh.

Erm.

*coughs*

I will always say no. Where's the fun in a game where anyone can run around killing people just because he's fast. All that stuff you just mentioned, Kev, makes it perfectly acceptable to create a character that has incredible speed, high skill, high knowledge of a weapon, and zero dodge. He'd never be hit if he does one hit KOs.

Realism always should take a back seat to functionality and game play... as everyone has always said... I like the long, drawn out combat stints.

Hell, I remember talking with Johnny and Rastus YEARS ago, and they both were violently against one hit kills and some of the stuff you just typed about. (This came into question when Lucifer took a shot to the eye, then calmly planted his hand in someone's head a few times... the guy passed out... not Lucifer.) Their answer was along the lines of: Thems the rolls, thems the stats. Sometimes realism needs to take a backseat.

I'm sorry, Kev. I know you've put alot of effort and though into all this... but I don't personally think it would bring any balance to the game. Armor degradation, weapon degradation... sure, I can see it happening. But it will get annoying when everytime you fight, your weapon or armor breaks. People will stop fighting period because it becomes too costly... THIS IS CYBERPUNK. There should be fighting everyday... I dunno, Its a hard line to walk. I'd rather see more combat and fatigue stuff put in than more damage, one hit KO's and the like...

Thems my 2 cents...

One shot with a sniper rifle in your unprotected head, sure, KO is most definiately possible, maybe even death. But the sniper rifle is an exception to the rule, to be sure.