Prison

The possibility of giving prison sentences. Not very long ones - but I mean, for crimes like firearm possession, drug possession, not paying fines, et cetera, instead of shooting the perp on-site, if they come peacefully we cold give 'em something like a (small) fine and some prison time in that big-ass prison on Death Row. Not very MUCH prison time, but something to offset the cost of the fines or whatnot.   Now, of course, it sucks to be locked in a room, so the large prison could be a series of rooms, where the cons can walk around and have things to do (Like making license plates for a teeny salary and whatnot), possibly make contacts, and get visits in the visiting room. There could be a lights-out schedule, such as if you're not in your cell by 9pm, the guards beat the crap out of you.
Stays would be short- something in the range of two  days to a week, and only for minor crimes, like not paying a fine or drug possession, and would be a better alternative than getting shot for not paying a fine on time. I believe it'd encourage more petty crime and be a pain in the ass for us Judges, but still neat.

(Edited by Shadow at 11:23 am on Mar. 28, 2002)

And TV is only useful as a propaganda tool, and no, it isn't fin because all the good shows (like Millenium) get cancelled.

Speaking of shocking and horrifying people, how about all these reality TV shows, like Fear Factor and Tempation Island? They've only been around for a couple years, are you continually horrified or have you gotten used to 'em yet? What about Richard Simmons and Bob Saget? Have they not become regular, every day horrors? Are you not desensitized to them? How about when they clone yet another sheep? Do you actually care? I don't. Sure, clone more sheep. Let there be sheep!

Hell, thirty years ago you didn't find sex shops and lap dance parlors and swinger's clubs every street corner, but now you do. And it's normal.

The Internet, that's another thing. The only people who are still concerned about it these days are the ignorant and media barons who see their televised filth having less effect than it should, because people now have access to hundreds upon thousands of opinions and facts on the 'net. And we're used to it, and I'm used to it and it hasn't been around all my life.

More and more radical technologies are being produced and quickly accepted - future shock isn't much of a reality anymore. Hell, did you know cybernetic legs are already on sale IRL? 10k each, yeah, but you can walk and jog with them, you can even feel hot and cold and touch with them. Not as good as the real thing, but still..it's there and no one's making a fuss.

72 years is plenty of time to integrate something, no matter how radical, into everyday life. If the old generation can't handle it, screw them, the new one will.

Onto the jail thing. I think it would be rather cool just to give it a trial run. Have a few people locked up for a week or so in the prison on RED. Let their friends and loved ones get visitors passes and come see them in the waiting room. You could hire people as prison guards. There's another form of employment right there. You could even get crooked guards who slips weapons and drugs to inmates for a fee. There's another form of potential crime.  The players would still be able to log in and do some rp. They could lift weights in the yard or make AV plates or something.  And if at the end of the trail run, say of a month, no one liked it then just can the idea permanently.

The prison… that isn't staying where it is. So, just forget about it's location... the real prison is out in the badlands. I do like some of those ideas on how to make time in prison more interesting and if we can work out a way to make sure players are released when they're supposed to be, I think it could be a viable option.

Even if you do have a clone waiting for you on the other side, your tempted not to do the PETTY crime stuff in order to build up a crime base / contacts / �knowledge� because of the unbalanced crime/punishment ratio. It would be just aggravating (that�s all) to have to start over at making all your weapons contacts if your executed all the time for simple possesion. I mean for the most part in real life you don�t get to be a mob �boss� or whatever without having done your fair share of the petty grunt work stuff.

Plus the more petty crime things a character would be shot for the more it would get annoying to try and get away with them (of course that raises the issue that they might want to reevaluate a life of crime if they can�t get away with even the petty stuff� ;) )

But like someone mentioned on another post, for the most part we are RPing a human character, and with those human characteristics their comes those �I don�t like to be killed too often� feelings. Call it being wussy. But I think even IRL if I did have a nice warm clone waiting for me in case I died, I still would take all the precautions of safety and smarts so as to prevent my death. If that makes sense� And I would avoid situations where dealing with the annoyance of my death outweighs any benefits to me.

Personally I would rather wander around a prison for a few hours to a day or so making contacts, RPing with other prisoners, taunting the guards, picking my nose� what have you, then having to deal with trying to remember what the hell just happened and why am I missing my socks?

But if prison sentences where to be carried out, just an added idea, maybe all the legal stuff in your inventory could, at the beginning of your prison stay be put into a cubbyhole, so that it�s waiting for you at the end of your stay. Of course just like in real life you could have a situation of,

Prison guard �Here�s your crap back buddy. Enjoy.�
Freedom loving X-prisoner after inspecting all the stuff, �Hey, I had a watch in here.�
Prison Guard �No you didn�t�
You �No I swear, it was cheap but it told the time� My Uncle Bobo gave it to me� and��
Prison guard raising his truncheon �I SAID� No you didn�t�
You meekly going on your way.

Maybe we can retain all the flavorings of a supposed rogue and tyrannical justice system by leaving the final decision REALLY up to the judges etc.. prison sentence or death� is the Judge in a pissy mood or feeling happy cause they got some candy? It all comes down to that.

But I guess all this is a moot point for now, if the prison is to be moved into the badlands� and those are supposed to be buggy themseves anyways.

But it would be a cool idea i think.

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The dome, 65million people. Why was the WJF formed for anyway and why do they use the marshall law approach? Because it is the cheapest and the fastest way to deal with criminals. In the U.S. today the death penalty costs more than a life sentence because of court appeals and paperwork. Well, in 2087, the street is the court, appeals take minutes and the paperwork is minimal. This is the most efficient way of dealing with criminals. And it's not even REAL death…you have a second chance, and a third...etc.

Now...in the case of the ultimate crimes: Mass murder, Multiple Judge kills, repeated acts of terrorism, where IRL it'd be ABSOLUTE death, and since we don't encourage PKing, so there will be a place where criminals will be sent away from the general public. WHether it'll be a place of good RP, i unno, whether it'll be a stasis, I unno. Perhaps in these instances we -could- approve an alternate character while the other char serves out a sentence and rehabilitations. The prisoner's stats get turned from Machinegun to knitting like in Demolition Man.

That's an IC explanations.
OOCly, newbies (who are most often the ones being sentenced) WILL get bored easily if they are locked up for a long time.

Calling them poor RPers is a dead argument. I've seen some fine RPers use this very piss-poor 'get out of jail free' card many times on multiple M*'s.

Prison time does NOT work. Not here. Not there. Not anywhere… cept maybe PrisonMOO. Anyone up to RP some quality showertime with Bubba?

Fines make good punishments, because they sting people where it hurts most, in the wallet. It's a material world, material wealth is what most players are aiming for.

I actually think clone executions are pointless though. You don't learn anything if you don't remember it, so chances are, if you kill someone, they're going to offend again.

If you pass a fine on someone, that they can't pay, maybe judges could serve a community service order on people or something, so they have to work off thier "debt to society" make them clear up bodies, clean up graffitti, sweep the streets, until they've paid thier debt. And if they refuse to that, -then- you execute them, or something.

Oh, and on a not really related note, the first bit of the website, has a judge saying "Sentenced to death by execution" as opposed to what, sentenced to 3 days in prison by execution :P.

I don't even see why there would be a jail ICly.  Unless its like a cryo prison or something.  Why the hell would the corps spend money on keeping people in prison when they can just  clone death them (and then the people have to pay for new clones) and slap them with a hefty fine..

Jail just doesn't make sense at -all-.