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Anyone that played CP 2020 knows what I mean. For the ones that don't it would be like this:

A life-sensor implant that connects to a network (SIC prolly) and upon the character getting to a lower health level/death an ambulance is dispatched for recovery.

The ambulance has a medic and a grunt/driver. Once they get there they'll try to clean the place of every possible menace to the person that is hireing the service, get him into the vehicle and stabilize him while they get to a clinic.

Three reasons to get it to work :

1 ) Spread the Chyen / More jobs
2 ) Even more RP for the upside MOO
3 ) Pheer my trauma team rescue you filthy mixer!

By Xeethot at Jun 30, 2004, 11:51 AM | 0
Well… It's possible to sorta do this already without mucking around in the code.  Maybe manualy sending a pre-arranged code word and your location to a "dispatcher" via the SIC or a cell.  Not as conveniant as an automated dispatch though... Hrm, since you can already track people with SICs the groundwork for such a system is already in place. Monitor your ht and uhm.. yeah. *rambles*

Would a life-sensor implant be prone to the same blackouts that hit SICs?

*Woos* for co-operative medic related jobs.

By Bias at Jun 30, 2004, 1:18 PM | 0
4 ) Easy as getting scared of Iga's avatar to implement.


I just wish I could have the money ICly to do that…

By Xeethot at Jun 30, 2004, 1:21 PM | 0
Well, there's already the ambulance service happening.  Some of this could be arranged icly, but coded cyber to sense your ht and then send the message when it gets to low.  I would guess that something like this would require a heavy fee though, since you have to pay for the medic and the guy who takes care of whoever if trying kill you or whatever.  In most cases, I could see the cost to be rescued being more than a clone.  Good idea though.
By Hirononbu at Jun 30, 2004, 1:51 PM | 0
Quote: from Hirononbu on 1:51 pm on June 30, 2004[br]Well, there's already the ambulance service happening. �Some of this could be arranged icly, but coded cyber to sense your ht and then send the message when it gets to low. �I would guess that something like this would require a heavy fee though, since you have to pay for the medic and the guy who takes care of whoever if trying kill you or whatever. �In most cases, I could see the cost to be rescued being more than a clone. �Good idea though.

Like the #3 motive says, it's a corpie thing… expensive as hell.

By Xeethot at Jun 30, 2004, 2:10 PM | 0
Hmm, guess I didn't understand what you meant by that.
By Hirononbu at Jun 30, 2004, 2:36 PM | 0
What I wanna know is, why would an EMS service exist when they could just send a hearse with some latex-gloved dude to drag you up to genetek, strip you and stick you in a pod before your paid clone is activated? Same result, innit? Plus, they save money cause it's all unskilled labour, baby.
By Murphy at Jul 2, 2004, 1:08 AM | 0
I think the point is not dying.  in real life you wouldn't be to keen on dying, clone or not.  They also had somehting similar in shodowrun, kick ass Idea I think.
By Jotun at Jul 2, 2004, 4:00 AM | 0
Hmm, and it would be good for those people who think it isn't ic for their character to have a clone, yet who don't want to die right away.
By Hirononbu at Jul 2, 2004, 5:57 AM | 0
I'm all for the idea.


If it means I can hijack an AV with a minigun or two on it.


Otherwise, uh, just use the fuller med abulance service thing.

And put miniguns on the ambulance.

Mmmmm, miniguns..

By King[Fu] at Jul 4, 2004, 5:33 AM | 0
*eyes King[Fu]*

Miniguns?


*hides*

By Xeethot at Jul 4, 2004, 7:50 AM | 0
Quote: from Jotun on 7:00 am on July 2, 2004[br]I think the point is not dying.  in real life you wouldn't be to keen on dying, clone or not.  They also had somehting similar in shodowrun, kick ass Idea I think.

What difference does it make, if your heartbeat stops for a few minutes and you're revived, or your heartbeat stops for a few more minutes tossed into a vat?

The main difference is that either you wake up in a very uncomfortable state with a huge medical bill to pay, or you wake up feeling mostly just fine with a cloning costs and a drivers fee to pay - and if this transport service is run my Genetek, the costs would be even lower because basically, they'd be forcing you to give them money. Withmore isn't really about corporate competition - all major corps operate in completely different sectors and markets.

Dying is just a state of mind, after all - think about it - when you die and are cloned, one way or the other, the 'death tunnel' is forgotten. If you don't remember the actual 'dying' part, how can it be said you died, especially if you're still alive?

In world where cosmetic surgery is an hourly occurance, we can only imagine what sort of desensitization to so-called death has occured due to the cloning system.

Think about it, if you 'die' and come back alive, did you really die?  Is it death or just an inconvenience? If you're cloned straight from your corpse, you retain your memories (except the last ten minutes or so) and don't get DCD. So did you really die? And if an EMS team had to revive you, and your heart stopped, you were after all clinically dead. So, by that definition, you've died anyway.

Why come back in pain and laying in bed with an enormous bill, when you could come back feeling more or less comfortable and smelling like a rose, with a slightly less enormous bill?

In such a world, I believe the word 'death' would have a significantly different connotation and substantially less finality than it does today.

By Murphy at Jul 4, 2004, 1:12 PM | 0

Dying is just a state of mind, after all - think about it - when you die and are cloned, one way or the other, the 'death tunnel' is forgotten. If you don't remember the actual 'dying' part, how can it be said you died, especially if you're still alive?

Cloning does have adverse effects.  Because it's not -perfect-.  If you didn't actuly die, then whats that corpse laying on the street?  If your cloned from your corpse, you did still die.  Its a new body, they just used the corpse to scan the memory or whatever.  So your clone doesn't actuly lose any time..

By Nemisis at Jul 4, 2004, 9:20 PM | 0
Even with clones I think there would be a reaction to death.  Maybe it's because i'm like one of those emotional girls or something. :P Deep down humans are spiritual and superstitious, even in a society that considers itself logical, realistic and highly evolved above such mumbo jumbo twaddle. Take present day superstitions and afterlife beliefs from around the world, even the stuff that passes as watered down, Oprah spouted one-liners. Project them onto a tech society where life is mortally cheap, renewable for the right price and slotted into a system that tramples the average Joe under a steal toed shoe. You'd get complex and varied belief systems arising around clones, cloning and death. Belief systems aren�t static and people would still react in a semi human fashion, even when it�s supposed to be a post human, pre-machine, tech fetishist, look-ma-I�m-a-gizmo world. Dying or watching someone close to you die would most likely still create a complicated emotional reaction to those involved. Even if it's an unrecognisable or alien reaction to someone from a society where death is an annoyingly permanent problem.

Running across your own corpse would still provoke some sort of reaction. Having a buddies run across your corpse when it's  up in the air if you have a clone or not should provoke some sort of reaction in them. Watching your buddy eat a bullet when you don�t know if they have a clone coupled with the uncertainty of the technology (it is the �near- future, not the distant future after all�), should provoke a reaction.. Plus the dying part still, like, hurts? I think people wouldn�t want to die willy fuckin nilly if they could help it, no matter what. Plus the medical establishment would really throw a hissy fit if people where choosing cloning over a stay in their expensive hospitals, downing their expensive medication, biological agents and treatments.

Yep. Time for some Tea.

EDIT: (opera… oprah.... not the same thing..)

(Edited by Bias at 11:38 am on July 5, 2004)

By Bias at Jul 4, 2004, 11:03 PM | 0
While I'm alive I realize that a clone is not me, not the same brain, flesh and blood, it has all of my memory, charcteristics, and whatnot, but it's not the same.  Correct me if I'm wrong (and I've watched this a few times lately)  When you put a corpse in the vat, it is destroyed and a new one is made.  Am I right?   It isn't -exactily- you.  and that's what I personally would be scared of.  

I think the problem is that with clones being so cheep people OOC'ly, and IC'ly  begin to loose any sense of mortality.

Not to mention like Nemisis said the chance, be it ever so slight, of DCD.

By Jotun at Jul 5, 2004, 9:59 AM | 0
My char made a big deal out of dying, it changed his persona immensly. :P
By Lucifer at Jul 5, 2004, 10:04 AM | 0
Is the trauma of knowing you've 'died' greater or lesser than remembering every wound your received quite clearly, not to mention the revival procedure isn't exactly the most pleasant one. I doubt any of us have died before, so I doubt any of us could answer this question.

Well, the thing is, corpies run no risk of running across their own corpse - thats what WCS is for. ICly, WCS is supposed to be very effective when it comes to green, gold and blue. So who gives a shit if mixers run across their corpses and are traumatised?

The chance of DCD via direct corpse cloning is not minimal, but infitesimal. Unless you make it your business of dying. Johnny once said that cloning was like JPEG compression - when you update, it's like saving a *.jpeg of the *.tga that is you.

Now if you die, your jpeg comes out and gets cloned, that's some more jpeg compression added on.  And as this goes on, DCD happens at some point.

But if the *.tga is cloned directly, you skip some levels of compression there.

And, let's face it - even if there were a minigun-equipped Trauma-Team style AV, why the bleeding ass would it go down to the Mix? It wouldn't - that's not where the money is. The money is in old Blue billionaires having strokes, and Gold secretaries choking on a piece of sushi.  There just isn't a big enough corporate playerbase to warrant such a feature to be instated. Players working there would just….sit around....or rescue NPCs.

Now, if you want one for the Mix, well, theres an in-game ambulance. Get some friends and guns together and ride. Ask the admin to have a phone built into it, and maybe a SIC amp and go for it. Instant trauma team, mix-style.

By Murphy at Jul 6, 2004, 9:51 AM | 0
Quote: from Murphy on 9:51 am on July 6, 2004[br]Gold secretaries choking

Aaaahh….

on a piece of sushi

Oh, sushi, yeah, I guess they could choke on that.

By Hirononbu at Jul 6, 2004, 9:58 AM | 0
fucker.
By Tool at Jul 6, 2004, 12:14 PM | 0
That comes after the sushi, tool.
By Hirononbu at Jul 6, 2004, 2:03 PM | 0
Cloning a corpse has it's own problems, namely, the hit to your fundamental numbers you take. It's small, but it will add up over a number of 'DeathClones'.
By Johnny at Jul 6, 2004, 2:29 PM | 0
Quote: from Johnny on 2:29 pm on July 6, 2004[br]Cloning a corpse has it's own problems, namely, the hit to your fundamental numbers you take. It's small, but it will add up over a number of 'DeathClones'.

You're talking body decay after death influences the clone?

Cool!

By Xeethot at Jul 7, 2004, 7:06 AM | 0
Quote: from Johnny on 5:29 pm on July 6, 2004[br]Cloning a corpse has it's own problems, namely, the hit to your fundamental numbers you take. It's small, but it will add up over a number of 'DeathClones'.

True, but logically, wouldn't multiple near-death experiences and resucitations do the same to a living being? So much surgery….Michael Jackson's nose.

By Murphy at Jul 7, 2004, 5:39 PM | 0
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