WJF Weapon Ideas

If it functioned like a sniper rifle…alot of people would die.

Quote: from Salvatore on 4:59 pm on July 26, 2006[br]You want to add -more- on to the enforcer? God, how about you set it down and it blows up into this large drone and take out the bad guy for you, no questions asked…

what the hell are you going on about?
Those are reasonable additions to the Enforcer.

Jesus.

Quote: from Salvatore on 5:14 pm on July 26, 2006[br]A pistol a rifle -and- a grenade launcher and you want it to act like a semi-sniper rifle? Sounds like a bit much to me.

Look chum, it -IS- a rifle. It should by all means have the fireing capability of one.

And it sounds like a bit much? It is supposed to be the cutting edge in weapons technology to give the Judges one up on everyone else.  But I guess we should make it shoot roses huh?

Quote: from Salvatore on 5:22 pm on July 26, 2006[br]So…. you're saying the enforcer should have the ability to fire into another room when a someone is fleeing from you, because it -is- a rifle. But you see other rifles cant shoot into different rooms. I know for a fact a lot of pistols could shoot into other rooms, too. But there is a very fine line between realistic and game(ish) content. What fun or RP would you derive from shooting a guy you couldnt see?

And no I am not sayinig to make it shoot roses. Because if Judges had the capability to fire into another room, the potential for abuse is pretty high.

You ever seen a sniper rifle in game…?

Quote: from Salvatore on 5:28 pm on July 26, 2006[br]

You ever seen a sniper rifle in game…?

In fact, yes. Now put yourself one the streets, crowded business people walking with briefcases, or you're in the mix and there are whores and whatever else around. But there are so many people that you would be able to get a clean shot. You cant count out the ambient population, chum. Imagine the headline, 'WJF sued after Judge <name here> shoots, kills <innocent person>' doesnt look good. The reason sniper rifles make so much sense is because you are stationed above the crowds, so you can pick out your target.

That's assuming you never miss, and also assuming you're ontop of a building.

I had a character shot by one while in a building before, but I do hear they are wonky.  

Btw, that argument really dosn't mean much to this topic becuase it can aslo be applied to having a gunfight in the same room.

(Edited by Salvatore at 5:38 pm on July 26, 2006)

DRONES! Those on the other hand are smart with AI, they can do more and be stronger then humans and can take out any Mixer.

Screw having Judges at -all-, lets get drones. I mean they are cheaper, more dependable and would be able to carry a bazooka in there ass because that is needed anymore.

You guys are trying to be so realistic… that's realistic, how about instead of putting the Mixer at an impossible disadvantage, we allow for some fun RP.

IC and realistically there wont be people out there. People are dumb, indecisive, and they have to be paid.

DRONES! Those on the other hand are smart with AI, they can do more and be stronger then humans and can take out any Mixer.

Screw having Judges at -all-, lets get drones. I mean they are cheaper, more dependable and would be able to carry a bazooka in there ass because that is needed anymore.

You guys are trying to be so realistic… that's realistic, how about instead of putting the Mixer at an impossible disadvantage, we allow for some fun RP.

You're a genius

(Edited by InsaneRadical at 5:54 pm on July 26, 2006)

Quote: from Salvatore on 5:56 pm on July 26, 2006[br]btw, I mean -no- judges what-so-ever. You people are human, and are insignificant to the drone. You should all be replaced and made homeless.

And if someone can spam flee from you it is because they have builtthe right amount of stats and skills up in order to do so… so, try and built your stats up to catch him.

Again, point missed.

/end discussion please.

Quote: from Biohazard on 6:06 pm on July 26, 2006[br]

My final post on the matter since you're clearly just being retarded now.

You can't take the human out of the loop. Are your drones going to run investigations, plan operations, gain CI's, etc. etc? no. Now, I don't know how to say this any nicer, so here it is: STFU.

I truly think that those ideas -should- be incorporated into the system. But have you ever been inside a police station even today? What do most have on there desks? -Computers-, now think about what year it is. They could analyze evidence, find mistakes, plan operations, all without the human error factor. There math would be perfect, they would have the intelligence coordination of a super computer, they would be able to do everything judges cant do. They could analyze the data find connections long before a meer human even figured out what it was.

Quote: from Protagonist on 6:17 pm on July 26, 2006[br]Oh dear.

Salvatore you sounded reasonable at first, but seriously, just because you're character hates judges, for obvious reasons, you shouldn't as well OOC. Obviously you're very connected to your characters' situation, distancing yourself might be an idea.

Biohazard, seriously, the admin have more to worry about than adding features of one gun onto another which is already mutli-featured.
How about you go out in teams, or err, two's or however many judges are around. One is an enforcer II totting sheriff, and the other is a backup sniper. Cop style.

Personally I'd much rather carry on seeing old stuff be fixed as I'm happy to see it is now, than new features.

This can all be solved IC :)

Oh, and hello. I might be back, kinda.

Peace all.

Eh, again, this is only an idea that I never expect to see the light of day. I was just tossing it out there.

Quote: from Salvatore on 6:20 pm on July 26, 2006[br]Well, it would help if I had a very real character at all. I dont hate judges, in fact my character wants to become one. But I find it stupid to make the enforcer sooo good that the person shooting it needs little or no skill to kill someone.

That's silly too, have you ever -fired- the sniper rifle? You need very high skill to hit anything, and with my character, the only reason I am able to do what I can, is becuase alot of UE has been invested in his skills.

I remember an interesting incident with a Polly Parrot, and Pratt saying "I want that parrot on my desk by tomorrow". Do you guys still have those parrots?

Anyway, on the subject of the Enforcer's rifle mode - it was originally meant to accomodate shotgun rounds. The code was there at some point but never finished/implemented.

Right now, it fires from a 7mm rifle clip - but here's something you might like to know: just because a weapon fires long rifle rounds doesn't mean it has the range of a rifle. Especially if it has the barrel length of a pistol - or would you like the Enforcer to have a 12" rifle barrel sticking out underneath the 13mm pistol barrel? That would make it VERY difficult to use in close quarters.

If anything, the rifle mode should instead be armour-piercing.

Besides, if you're a real Judge, someone running away from you shouldn't bother you. You'll hunt them down and find them eventually. You'll get their address from an informant.  You'll get their cube code from their lover. It's just another charge on their file bringing them closer to banishment. No need to get excited.

(Edited by Murphy at 4:23 pm on July 28, 2006)

Based off the description, functionality and practicality of a law-enforcement handgun I'm not quite sure how or why someone would would even imagine it being a sniper rifle (except for the obvious twinkie factor).

Although personally I'd pay to see Judges trying to quickdraw their rifle-barrelled pistols from a belt holster. :D

Quote: from Murphy on 4:33 pm on July 28, 2006[br]

Quote: from Chaos on 4:30 pm on July 28, 2006[br]Been a while, Murphy.

Not as long as you think.

Ah.  I was referring specifically to the character Murphy, though.  Didn't realize.  Welcome back.

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Quote: from Biohazard on 1:31 pm on July 28, 2006I was under the impression that the whole Enforcer went through some kind of sweet Transformer like shit to turn into an actual full lenght rifle due to their attack messages where you shoulder it and fire….

Actually, the Enforcer-II is/was a blatant rip-off of the Lawgiver MkIII from Judge Dredd. There is/was a pic of a Lawgiver kicking around somewhere years ago that was used for reference when it was described.

Sounds like someone fluffed the attack messages, either originally or in a re-write…

Hrm. Well, it all makes a bit more sense now. The shotgun design even.

Quote: from Biohazard on 7:14 pm on July 28, 2006[br]He's still listed on the characters section of the website

But once I logged into him by accident and ended up in Star Trek. Or something.

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Quote: from Damarung on 6:06 pm on July 29, 2006[br]Hmm…I'll have to remember to yell out I've shot my grenade launcher into the next room so that everyone can pretend to blow up.  There is only so far that RP can take you with certain things.

You kids today, spoilt rotten with yer fangled combat systems and such… wouldn't know RP if it jumped out and... well, shot you with an RP'd grenade launcher.

Has SD really gotten so bad that players live and die purely by the code?

Yes

Blah loads his Enforcer with a grenade and pulls the trigger.
Blah tosses his grenade south.
Bleh sees grenade fly in from the north.

They're gonna see it for one...and either try to scatter or something else.  Rather if it were a launcher, they -might- hear a little 'thump' sound then...boom.

However, there is still plenty of room to conduct investigations, make contacts, spy on people, do some side deals (if that's your thing) meet up with some friends in the force for a drink…still plenty of RP going on Judge side.

...But yeah...I still want both of those items, if only to appease my greed and disregard for RP in my pursuit of coded combat. (clearly I am joking heh)

Seriously, I only want such items to add a more tactical approach to WJF actions, rather than simply -having- to fight every time I get called to RED. �It would be nice if we could do something other than kill or be killed. �We may have backup, but we're granted what Ops thinks is backup, maybe two judges, maybe just one. �In the course of things, we have better toys, but are always to be outnumbered. �Be it by ambient population, or even the playerbase. �Generally the odds are 3-4/6-8

And yes, there -could- be abuse in these items, but that's what the admin are for, to make the game unbiased and fair for all parties. �They see someone doing wrong, they reprimand. �Thus we learn and evolve.

I think you should log on to check it out again, stop making comments on a place you haven't been to in 5 years when there have certainly been changes...get your butt in here and show us how a pro does it (and I mean that literally, no sarcasm intended). �Don't know if I've ever had the chance to RP with you, but if your RP is any comparison to your comments, it should be something nobody should be deprived of.

What do you mean "used improperly" or that players can't be trusted with the kinds of weapons you listed? If abuse happens it can be addressed on a case by case basis, you don't have to cut the entire thing out of the game.

As I understood it, frag grenades and other high explosive weapons were removed partly at least because of the issue of ambient damage messages, etc.

Also, a working, advanced combat system can improve RP, rather than hinder it. Judges and gangers are combat oriented character types. RPing combat sucks and even with a coded system tactics and approach are everything. Thankfully there are other character types that can survive, and survive very well, without having to resort to combat, i.e. street hustlers, drug dealers, etc. and various corpies of course too.

Quote: from Damarung on 12:23 pm on July 31, 2006[br]

I think you should log on to check it out again, stop making comments on a place you haven't been to in 5 years when there have certainly been changes…get your butt in here and show us how a pro does it (and I mean that literally, no sarcasm intended).  Don't know if I've ever had the chance to RP with you, but if your RP is any comparison to your comments, it should be something nobody should be deprived of.

…If both I and Rastus could roll characters on SD and play together, I am 99.9% certain that the IC balance would be on its ear in a matter of days if we put our minds (and knowledge of the coded systems) to it.

In fact, I would totally love that, but Ras has neither the time or the inclination.

And whatever RP you think you have as a Judge is *nothing* compared to what was going on in the olden days. Today, if I spend an evening wandering RED I'll be lucky if I see a single player. Back in the day you couldn't spend ten minutes working at SHI without RP falling in your lap and completely changing the course of your character's life irrevocably.  

Heck, I'm 90% certain the memento'd insta-spawning judge @hating NPC gangers were added because of me. XD

Quote: from Murphy on 10:22 pm on Aug. 1, 2006[br]

Quote: from Damarung on 12:23 pm on July 31, 2006[br]

I think you should log on to check it out again, stop making comments on a place you haven't been to in 5 years when there have certainly been changes…get your butt in here and show us how a pro does it (and I mean that literally, no sarcasm intended). �Don't know if I've ever had the chance to RP with you, but if your RP is any comparison to your comments, it should be something nobody should be deprived of.

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And whatever RP you think you have as a Judge is *nothing* compared to what was going on in the olden days. Today, if I spend an evening wandering RED I'll be lucky if I see a single player. Back in the day you couldn't spend ten minutes working at SHI without RP falling in your lap and completely changing the course of your character's life irrevocably. �

Heck, I'm 90% certain the memento'd insta-spawning judge @hating NPC gangers were added because of me. XD

That may be true. I tend to be able to only RP regulary and non violently with fellow Judges and corporate citizens, (Which is about a grand total of two other players) But perhaps that would change if some people got off of the Bgbb and logged in  ;)

On top of that, as I think most long standing admin will tell you, it's never quite the same once you've seen behind the curtain. I spent hundreds of hours working on SD's code, I've touched practically every aspect of the game… kinda like taking the blue pill, once you know how it all works it's kinda hard to ignore the mechanics and believe the "illusion".

Amusing anecdote... last time I was on a certain un-named individual decided it'd be amusing to goad the newbie into combat (ICly, of course). When I eventually attacked him, he whipped out his katana... and I handed his ass to him and sent him to the recombination chamber. Bear in mind this was an unarmed, fresh out of chargen character vs an oldbie... (I wrote a large part of the combat system).

Oh, and I've been told several times that I'll never be welcome back on SD... so, y'know... it's awkward.

Quote: from Damarung on 5:03 am on Sep. 14, 2006[br]Another thing about WJF gear that's confused me is howcome it doesn't diguise? �Sure there is a nameplate on the chest, but that could be used for tricking someone. �I've seen this attempted, but what the person who was trying it didn't realize is that he and the judge aren't even similar in size at -all- heh. �But what I'm getting at, is that in order to find out who said judge is, you would have to read the nameplate, and if the armor was in the hands of someone else, all you'd need to do to resolve that nameplate issue is wear something over it…

Bumeth…
And...
Nade launcher...

Anyway, just thought I'd bump the nade launcher feature.

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Quote: from Biohazard on 9:45 am on Nov. 4, 2007[br]
I still think SD needs Assualt rifles similar to an AK-47 or M16

I believe the Enforcer is the 209x version of the urban assault weapon. Rifle, Pistol, Grenade launcher *cough*teaser*cough*…

the m16 is prone to jamming often and in inopportune times ("Tap Rack Bang!! Tap Rack Bang!!). the ak is a superior build, but inacurate. more of a spray weapon. what part do you want to add to the enforcer? the jamming feature, or the inacuracy of spray?

All weapons need to jam. I meant that SD should have massed produced assault rifles as a weapons addition.