DJs

And I'll let LRCN or Johnny enlighten you. :)

-lrcn

Trancer, the char, and LRCN, the person, are DJs who spin some form of techno. The basic premise from my viewpoint is that they perform a 'set' for the crowd/club/whatever. The set is composed of several 'tracks' that generally are on vinyl LPs (unless your one of those gay CD spinners, BOOO!). A LP that LRCN would buy normally has one or two tracks on one side and one or two tracks on the other. Often each side will contain a different remix of a song.

The set is supposed to be one continuous period of music, one track mixed into the next track and so on and so forth. The beginning and end of each track (except for the last and first tracks in the set ofcourse) are often not heard because the DJ will have mixed out to the next track before the end or will have mixed in from the previous track.

From what I gather, its a bad thing if the music stops. Ofcourse, this does happen when one DJ finishes his set and the next DJ doesn't want to mix into the other guys shit (cause the tempo is off or something).

I'm sure LRCN can correct me :)

~ J

Really.

Keep in mind, this was streamed from his house, so theres no crowd, no groupies and no neon lights :)

But, it will show you what he actually does.

:)

You have international fans…scary eh?

Quote: from Johnny on 7:36 pm on Oct. 16, 2002[br]There are many different uses of the word 'DJ'…

. . .The set is composed of several 'tracks' that generally are on vinyl LPs (unless your one of those gay CD spinners, BOOO!).

~ J

Nah..  CD Decks aren't gay.  They're actually pretty nifty, the newer ones anyway.  

What's gay is using the auto bmp counters and auto-sync/one touch DJ buttons.  That's what's lame..

But Spinning CD's sometimes is the only way you can get a copy of a track for DJ use.  Acetates (pre-vinyl cuts of a track spinnable on a turntable) run up in the $60 range or so EACH, and you can only get a few plays out of them before they start to sound like a cruddy MP3..

And I'm not about to blow $700+ bucks on a pressing run to have a box of vinyls of a song I only need 1 or 2 of..

So what's the next best thing?  Burn a CD..  Remix the song and Burn it..  cut rythem loops from the song while you're at it and burn your own DJ friendly tracks….  just keep the mixing real.  And with today's technologies, you can manipulate Digital audio from CD Decks just as you would vinyl "what with the itching and scratching. . "  back cueing, push pull and drag, just be ready to spend hella money on the equipment that can do that:  Pioneer CDJ1000MKII (ONE!)= $1,124.99US, and you need 2 of them!

or you can spend $499.99US on a Numark CD MIX-2, Dual CD deck and mixer all in one, with 12volt AC adapter for power.  not quite as featured as the Pioneer, but hey, plug in a car adapter and long Road Trips with friends just got less boring. . .  That, and it's hella eaiser than carting around crates of records, and turntables, and a mixer, along with your amps and speakers....

ok, I think I'm done now.

point being they are cool, and even the lower end cd turntables can do pretty much anything but scratch.  in fact it's easier, in my opinion, to sample and whatnot, than using regular turntables and as timmy was saying you are not limited to your selection by records.

and final scratch…. damn! that is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. my friend dished out the $600 for the setup, and it was a gigantic headache installing it and getting it to work right on a pc, (evidently it's super simple on a mac) it required a linux partition and something about a mac emulator, I'm not sure about the spcifics, but I know my girlfriend's brother who knows alot more than me about pc's had a bitch of a time getting it to work right, but when he did, wow.

Quote: from Nemisis on 8:29 pm on Sep. 29, 2003[br]. . . If you spin cds, with those funky little CD spinner things, whatever there called, there not turn tables. �Anything can sound good . . . �It doesn't take any real skills, . . .

Well like I said (with additional commenting added).. �What's gay is using all the poser DJ one touch features on the decks trying to make yourself look good when you already know you have no skill, and couldn't work with anything lesser. �

I'm in no way saying ditch the vinyl. �As long as there are DJ's, there will always be vinyl. �I'm just saying, CD capability comes in handy when it's your only real choice.

There's still Quite a bit of skill required in the art of manual beat mixing. �–Which any real DJ will do. �Fuck auto sync. �Fuck the BMP counters and Fuck remote fader starts.

anyone can press a bunch of buttons without needing skills. �

FUCKING DUH!

And besides, all the expensive auto features don't even work properly half the time. �Hell, Digital Scratching is no where near the sound and feel of real vinyl over a slipmat on a turning platter. �Not by a long shot, not on the new Denon with the platter that actually spins on it's own simulating the vinyl feel, and even the Pioneer, which has it best, still isn't anywhere near the same thing.

. . . and it shows your have no drive, since you dont want to go out and buy records, . . . so you can pretend scratch, and just burn CDs, instead of actuly making an investment in it, both time, and money.

Trust me.. to get the kind of equipment that describes what you claim to have done at guitar center is no cheep investment. �you can spend less than $800 on a pair of decent turntables mixer and even a small stack of records. �plug into an amp, monitor speakers and headphones and you're ready to go. �2 CD decks with auto sync, remote start, indipendant pitch AND tempo control, programmable cue points, lag free scratching capability, etc…. �along with a matching mixer to control the two decks will eaisaly cost you well over double that.

And if you've learned to Scratch properly on Vinyl, and I mean real cutting transforming scribbling crab walking scratching, none of this baby scratch "look I'm doing it!" scratching, and tried it on any of the new scratch capable CD Decks, You'll know that one, though the concept remains, the techinque is different. �and two-- it's a whole new skill to learn with today's technology the handling sound and feel of digital scratching.

And what the fuck? �sometimes you just can't get the tracks you want on vinyl. �unless you wanna blow $60 on a new acetate every few gigs, or pay $100+ for an out of print underground colletable. �or buy a shitty white lable bootleg, which at times is even harder to find than the said collectable.

it's not having a good drive and motivation to spend the extra money just because you're so concirned with keeping it real that you boycot and protest the use of digital media in the agressive DJ business. �

IT'S FUCKING DUMB!

And what about all the other big DJ's and artists that bring CD's to their live spin-session performances at the clubs? �un-released studio burns of their latest tracks that they want to throw in the mix, they all do it. �Timo Maas, Renny Pilgrem, Jody Wisternoff and Nick Warren of Way Out West, the list goes on. �Are they un-motivated driveless cheap fucks? �no, they're not fucking dumb.

In fact, the only real lamer type if any is BT, He does it all on his MAC notebook computer. �If you wanna diss anybody for their use of Digital media, fuckin flame him. �From the reviews of his earlier shows on regular turntables, he has no business outside the studio.

FUCKING A.

and also:

I was Guitar Center, and I sware to god, was ripping shit up with one of those things, and only one CD.

I highly doubt what you were doing actually sounded good. �Maybe to you when you were doing it, but then again, cutting corners in their accounting department sounded good to Enron at the time too.

and what the fuck man?

. . . anyone that makes electronic music isnt motivated. �Cause you don't need ANY instruments to make music like that.

Do you have any idea what kind of work goes into turning out a good dance track? �I'm not talking about the radio play cheese head clear-channel top 10 countdown pop chart sellout bull fucking shit.

I'm talking Deep Dish, Boards of Canada, anything on the Yoshi Toshi lable, anything out on Deconstruction, or Astralwerks.

Fucking Get a Clue!

(now you know why I don't ever fucking say anything.)

(Edited by Timmy at 4:19 pm on Oct. 1, 2003)

(Edited by Timmy at 4:25 pm on Oct. 1, 2003)

Quote: from Jotun on 11:03 am on Sep. 30, 2003[br]
any of you have any gold cd's out????or any for that matter…. �didn't think so, �so until you do who the fuck are you to judge anyone.

and if you do, let's hear it...

Well actually, I'm currently looking into a deal with Suction Records, but I'm not telling anyone anything about that just yet.

Wow.. turntables that cost over a grand each.  Most expensive I've seen so far was the new Technics 1200 something something 5.  –with blue target lights, replacable pitch fader, +/- 8% - 16% if I remember correctly, they made the braking power potentialometer adjustment eaisaly accessable (before, you had to take apart the table to get to it)..

It went for $800+ last time I saw it at Guitar Center.

It's ok if you want a fancy new turntable..  but it's not very hard to replace the target lamp in a 1200MK2 with a blue LED, just make sure you put the right resistor on it.  And I changed my strobe LED's from red to green.  It's a bit harder to replace the pitch fader on an MK2, but it's still pretty easy to adjust the pitch gain, and brake power.

There's also the third party aftermarket reverse kit, and 78rpm kit..

As far as mixers go, whatever works for is good enough.  you can get a $50 Gemini, or a $1,600+ Pioneer.  or if you really blow your money, invest in some Rane gear.

I say, the cost of your equipment -can- say something about your skill.  if you need a high tech feature packed over-priced setup to sound good, than are you really the one making the phat sounds?

All in all though, I say, walk the walk before you talk the talk

:)

:)

wow... the things ya learn.. and yes.. you are a geek. i was like wow keblar is cool he wants a hot chick.. then i got to the 300gig HDD and it just blew it. but it's cool i'm surronded by those types of ppl right now .. in the middle of downtown atlanta, right beside the hobos.. yeah...

heh.

TOOL!

Pet Shop Boys is NOT meant to be mixed with anything.

How the hell can you obscure the lyrics of classics like Domino Dancing or my personal favourite, West End Girls, with yer damn umpa umpa?

Hmph.