Finding fun

Much like real life, anything here worth having is worth working for.

Finding good RP is not always easy, but is rewarding when you find it.

CP is a genre of paranoia, biz just isn't (if the players are smart) conducted out in the open.

Look around, find out who's hanging where and try to be there when and where the action is. �That's the CP way.

Depending on the time zone you're in, this may not be easy.

If all else fails, xhelp me and I'll see if I can be of further assistance.

I think that the only advice I am really in a position to give here is this - the generally small playerbase (though growing!) we have here at Sindome means that if you're going to depend on interaction with actual PlayerCharacters for your RP, then you will do a lot of waiting around in bars attempting to make it look like you're developing your character. The genre decitates that you shouldn't be friends with everybody and should actually try and screw over those around you then leave them dead…which becomes pretty hard when you're starved for a solid source of RP.
I guess you could change that witht he right RP skills, but I haven't gotten the hang of it just yet for sure...

Um.

Lost my train of thought...oh there it goes again. Mmkay. There really /is/ a lot of worthwhile RP going on out there...somewhere..I hope....but if you're not involved in it at the moment all I can suggest is generate your own RP. Let your character be flexible and see where spur of the moment impulses take you. Even if you think nobody's there to see you develop your character, be creative.

Yup.
Gotta run.
Stick with the game, I love newbies, Hoo-rah.
*runs*

I've had many interesting conversations with Rychek when there were no other players around and an admin puppetted him. You can also learn quite a bit about what's going on if you hang out in bars and clubs enough. People are quite loose-lipped there, so get some juicy info, and fuck people over! Power and chyen should be your drive, not having the most friends. Nothing's better than the look on someone's face when you sell them out or kill them for a measely few grand. :biggrin:

Seriously, don't try to be friends with everyone. If you're too chummy with everyone, you can't fuck them over, unless you're only -pretending- to be chummy. ;)

*eyes Maels post*
*smiles*

Make a friend. Kill/betray them for money/kicks.

Is that -really- the sole defenition of CP?

*looks up at the last three posts*

*picks his jaw up from the ground*

*wonders if anyone has listened to a damn word he's said*

Mael - If that's all you ever see, then read deeper.

Bias - http://aetherealforge.com/~aeon/thesis/Thesis.pdf

Of all the soundbit sized definitions of CP, I like Bruce Sterling's the best.

"Cyberpunk is, the unholy alliance of the technical world and the world of organized dissent."

Nice people don't dissent.

Nice people aren't cyberpunks.

Nice people are cannon fodder.

Cyberpunk is not a nice world.

There are no happy endings.

It's always raining.

Someone is always out to get you, or at least that's how you feel.

Whether you're a have, or a have not, you want more and someone is stopping you from getting what you want.

Maybe your boss won't promote you if you're not one of the 50 million people who are unemployed here.

Maybe that guy won't give you any more courier runs and you don't have the chyen to make tonight's rent.

Maybe you want to get off the drugs you're on (because your life is so shitty and you wanted an escape) and know that some corp has a nice easy cure but won't release it for sale - maybe they did release it, but only the really rich can afford it.

That guy at the bar next to you, how come he has the latest implants and you don't?

So you have two choices here.

Are you going to sell your soul to some corp so you have nice living conditions and at least -some- security, or are you unable or unwilling to?

Once you decide that, you know where you stand and what you need to do.

Otherwise you're not a cyberpunk, you're cannon fodder and a pawn for the ambitious 'punks out there.

*wanders off to figure out how to make the characters feel the sense of desperation that seems to be missing*

(Edited by Jinkorei at 8:26 am on Sep. 25, 2003)

The debate about what cyberpunk is and isn't could go on forever.

that's because cyberpunk, doesn't have 1 set way you 'have' to be,  just like any culture there are many stereotypes (stereotypes suck, racist idioits)  but in a cyberpunk world there are mean, and nice,  rich, and poor,   whatever.

will you find more rp if you screw everyone?  probibaly,  does that mean you HAVE to play like that?   no, I don't want to speak for jink, but I don't think that's what he meant.  

I -never- said to screw -everyone- over.

There has to be someone you trust, kind of at least, and watch your ass while you're doing it.

What I said, is don't be nice.

Nice people help someone they don't give a shit, about find something that was stolen.
Cyberpunks help someone find somthing that was stolen, have the person killed, split the booty with the killer, get beat up a bit, meet the recently cloned at Genetek with some wild story about how charX killed the cloned char and beat the crap outta you and convice you to help them kill charX because that's what they wanted all along.

Nice people go to work in thier boring corpie jobs and get it crammed up thier ass all day by their power trippin boss.
Cyberpunks take it from the boss and when he's not looking, have him killed and make sure someone else get's blamed.

And yes, as a n00b (player or character or both) pissing off anyone who can kick your ass is not a good way to live.

But that doesn't mean you have to be nice to them.

My advice?

Pick one person to trust and nine people or entities (corpX, corpY, WJF, Olga, who/what ever) to hate. �Be ambivelent to the rest unless they intentionally piss you off.

Use the person you trust to help you 'take care' of the things you hate and help them do the same, until it's not in your best interest, then screw them over and pick a new friend.

Just make damn sure you blame someone else.

Yes, the drama that occurs in SD has in many cases, become much more rediculous than any soap opera could possibly concieve.  I personally have tried to fuck with people's IC relationships with one another (both by telling lies, and by disclosing certain truths that people would not want revealed).  However, due to the outside-of-MOO communication these individuals have with one another I've had to take some of my plans to further extremes than would be necessary even in real life.

For instance:  You don't need to hide from a dead guy.  But in SD, you have to if you want the player to think someone else did it.  Because otherwise, they'll OOCly tell all their friends, or perhaps they'll make a -new- character who mysteriously has a grudge against yours.

Strange how that seems to work out, but its a fact that's made light of itself on more than one occasion.  If you wantyour character to have a merry good time, making money -all- the time, growing more powerful by the second..  perhaps you should try one of those Dragonball Z MUDs out there.  But whatever you do, stay the fuck away from here.  Especially if you take offense OOCly because of IC actions taken against your character.  For fuck's sake, grow up.

This is a game.  And oh, I know what's gonna be said.  People are gonna start blabbering about how "Oh, your character is so powerful and you're an oldbie (or midbie, depending on how long you yourself have been here), and you have unlimitted weapons and ammo and enough UE to rape a village full of amazon centaurs."  

Screw all you who think that.  Yeah, Ike's got a good amount of UE.  But he's by -no- means the most powerful person in the game.  Not by a fuckin' longshot.  Hell, he's nearly been killed a few times within the last month or so.  Once was within the week.  And for all you people who think all Ike -does- is fight.  Screw you, too.  Anyway, back on topic.

Have friends.  Hell, friends are great.  Go bust some goddamn heads with a friend by your side.  Go cap some Judges, or rob a store.  Get buddies who can help you with a bunch of shit, but -REMEMBER- that if they give you favors, you will OWE them.  And they might just collect in some way you won't like….

Making them  *badoomCRASH* ENEMIES.  At least until you pay them back.  Then maybe things will cool down.  Or maybe they won't!  Maybe you'll have to start scheming against the fucker(s).  Maybe they've been scheming against you the whole time.

What I'm saying is this:  Friends are good.  But you can't trust friends.  Because friends get in trouble that you can't help them out of, and fuck you over to survive.

That's all I'm trying to say, and I think that's what Jinkorei was referring to.  Everybody gets in trouble here.  If they aren't now, they will be soon.  And if they don't do anything wrong, someone else will frame them and make it look like they did.  There's no good way out.  There's no possible way to get the "best outcome."  Sacrifices must be made in all occasions.  If you -do- reach what you think is a great outcome, good.  You got lucky.  It probably won't happen next time.  That's CP in my view.  You always end up getting your hands dirty.

quote from bias

you -don't- have to play an Evil Bad Ass of Doom ™ to get decent or even great RP.

Oh and drama isn�t �bad- you know. Each char should have a way they handle certain things. Not everything IS visible and out in the open. Not all actions are transparent.

People need to stop �telling- other people how to RP.

I couldn't have put it better myself, so i won't even elaborate.