Hoarding Hurts the MOO

Remember that this is NOT IC content.
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A handful of chrome wall sconces provide the lighting here, it reflects off the cream ceiling and gives the room a soft feeling. The large cream coloured room is sectioned off into different seating areas. Towards the middle of the room is a dark blue sofa flanked on either side by matching armchairs. In front of the sofa is a chrome and glass topped coffee table. Across from the sofa hanging on the wall is the typical flat panel television that you find in almost every home in Withmore. Hanging above the sofa and chairs is a ceiling fan that moves the warm air around in the apartment. Close to the kitchen is a small glass topped dining table surrounded by four chairs. The legs of the table as well as the chairs are made of a polished chrome plated metal. The cushions on the seats of the chairs are a modern design of overlapping blue and red squares. The kitchen is not what one would call spacious, or even roomy. It consists of a small chrome coloured fridge, a matching sink, stove, and microwave oven. The cupboards and drawers are a soft cream colour and the tiled counter tops a reflective black. The handles are of course chrome. The whole thing is lit by spot lights in the ceiling. Tucked away behind a red wicker screen in the far corner of the room is a small shiny chrome desk with a sewing machine and a lamp on it. Peeking out of a drawer in the little cabinet next to the desk is a swatch of green fabric.
You see a potted bamboo plant, a bouquet of roses, four medpaks, a N.Kwan Originals black t-shirt, a left ankle sheath, a leather wallet, six neXus synth-hide skirts, two SHI construction helmets, two 9mm extended magazines, eleven 9mm clips, four 12 gauge shells, fifteen 10mm clips, a sword scabbard, a NLM QuickTerm v1.0a, a neXus synth-hide dress, fifteen .45 clips, a Xo3 battle mesh, a six pack of lager, two stilettes, two flashlights, a note, a chain, a hacksaw, an Endoprine, a SHI TX-5D Debugger, a fluffy black towel, a mRc capsules, a pair of black sweatpants, a white t-shirt, three SpyderCo compact blades, two SHI GPS devices, two butterfly knifes, a pick axe, a plastic mask, two canteens, two large medpaks, a pair of leather boots, a machete, a SHI TX-5T Tracker, a solvent aerosol can, an incense burner, a Note To The Syndicate, three 6mm clips, five 11mm clips, a neXus trilayer synth-hide trenchcoat, a letter, three Nito-Kodak FunCams and a carton of .357 speed loaders here.
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Please remember to get rid of what you no longer need. The MOO will thank you.

Problem lies in the fact that players don't buy things from each other enough, and rely on stores. Rather than going to the mall for something, next time you decide you want something, advertise on the NLM boards, stimulate the player economy for those people who're trying to make a living as a fixer, because, it ain't easy when no one wants to buy anything.

Of course..if you have something sat in your cube you're not using, and someone advertises that they want one, and you don't bother to sell it, you're part of the problem :P

Someone make a reseller. Buy at more than the market buys for, and sell for less than it sells for, you'll still make plenty of profit, and provided people actually use the service, it should help keep hoards and object numbers down.

Quote: from King[Fu] on 10:14 am on May 14, 2003[br]Problem lies in the fact that players don't buy things from each other enough, and rely on stores. Rather than going to the mall for something, next time you decide you want something, advertise on the NLM boards, stimulate the player economy for those people who're trying to make a living as a fixer, because, it ain't easy when no one wants to buy anything.

rant

For any economy to work, currency needs to change hands. �The faster and more often it changes hands, the more fluid the economy.

People here are hoarding gear and chyen when there really is no need.

Sure, you want to keep something aside for that rainy day, but it's gettin crazy. �

I see very little commerce between players happening.

So what happens? �The moo get's bloated, the economy is stagnant, no RP is generated. �It's bad all around.

This is not a game you can win by having the most red PVC pants or the most chyen in the bank. We're supposed to be cyberpunks. �Unless you're a corpie, you're -not supposed- to be well off. �And if you're a corpie, you should damn well be spending that chyen to make miserable the lives of the scum beneath you.

Player run businesses are just a part of this. �They don't get patronized, and that's a huge problem as well.

People, get out and sell the shit you ain't using to someone, take the chyen you make and buy something from someone that you need.

You need some V? �See a PC drug dealer.
You get into a scrap? �See a PC Doc. �(As a side note I've lost count of all the people I see who are on death's door yet refuse to get medical treatment and act as if they're fine. �That's just twinky)
You need a [insert item here?] Find a PC who has it and buy it from them.
You need chyen but don't have anything to sell? �Mug a PC who does!
Need a loan? �Find a PC loanshark.

My character knows of -at least- one other player who fits the description of each of the above examples.

In another thread, long, long ago, Tylissa said she would no longer use ooc at all.

I'm gonna throw down a challenge here.

My character -will not- buy anything from a store unless he can't get it from a player.

The same goes for services. �If a service I need is offered by a PC, they get my business.

How many of you will do the same?

/rant

The 'system' is all well and good, but, it also hampers potential rp and sources of income for players.

If everything is freely available to everyone through coded systems, it makes player run business somewhat redundant. Why bother going to the risk of finding a fixer, arranging a deal and buying a gun from them if you can get one largely risk free from the market?

Because there's RP involved, and RP == good

You take your hoard of shit and sell it in the market. Great! next time I'm looking for something, I'll get to see a million half empty clips, or digital fucking watches (those things are the bane of my existance..) and, some player that might have paid you twice what you'll get for it at the market will have to even more than that, to get the thing you sold, channeling money straight into the 'system' and out of player hands.

I dunno, that sounds like a bad thing to me. I'd much sooner see money flowing between players than 'systems'

Yes. Hoarding is bad
-however- if someone has a stockpile of gear, uses it to create money, and in turn channels that back into the economy, directly to players, then more power to them.

My point isn't that everyone should hoard things, they shouldn't. For most people if they own more than a couple of weapons, some armour/clothes/tools, they need to shed some surplus. However, if next time they die, or want to get a bigger, better weapon, they look to players before they look to the 'system' the money stays in player hands, which -hopefully- then moves onto other players, and so the circle continues.

I understand kevlar's point. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think there's a danger of becoming -too- reliant on code, because, as it stands, code brings money to players, and code takes it away again. Reward your fellow players who show some industry and initiative, that's what I say.

and with regard to what Max said, next time your character winds up mortally wounded, and sits in a bar saying, "It's only a flesh wound, I'll be right as rain in a little while…." ...I don't know what I'll do, but it'll be unpleasant.

I was going to say more on this subject, but, I think instead I'll start a new thread on it instead :P

It still leaves the player economy stagnant and money only coming in through code, and out through NPC's

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you about it, I'm stating an opinion, that, It'd be better for players to interact IC with each other a lot more, than with 'the system' be that NPC's, coded shops/markets.

Some players have access to ways of getting stuff. Great, that's a step forward. - That doesn't mean joe average shouldn't be able to make a few extra chyen selling the every day shit he has lying around to people who want it.

I'm all about player-player interaction, and the more of it the better.

oh yeah, and loads of people have used the market to sell guns in before. Loads.

But, whatever, you've made you rpoint, I've made mine, the rest of the moo can make thier own minds up which side of that coin they want to land face up.

Besides, it'd make the GM's jobs easier if more of the economy ran purely through players ;)

I mean, honestly now.

-Kevlar

But maybe it's just me.

-Kevlar

But this is off topic. If there's more, let's take it somewhere else, ok?

-Kevlar

Of course, since things should be handled ICly at all times, it can be difficult for some things to get done.  That of course leads into what everyone is arguing about right now (well, minus Murphy and Kev over there).

Anywho, I'm just trying to clarify the reason why hoarding is bad.  You may proceed with your rants, ramblings, and general arguments at this time.  :D