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Looking for some input and ideas

I searched through the boards for the mention of the holoboard advertisements, but I couldn't find it, hence this being here.

My character is going to make some holo-clothing and as the Cyberpunkesque genre isn't really my stronghold I would be happy to hear out anyone's ooc ideas or thoughts on how to go about doing these.


Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure I understand what it is you want, can you give me more details?
What I am looking for is ideas of how holo-clothing has been portrayed in books or even films of this kind of genre. By that I mean how it looked and was interacted with.

I am going to have to be clever about how I do the clothing messages and will probably end up utilising the @tease/@otease for the changing holographic images.


I hope that helps.

Well, I'd say they'd need a projector, perhaps a belt or neck piece that would project the clothing over them. however I don't know how advanced the holotech is in 2087. I would say that it'd probably be a bit see-through, and some movements would block the holo-projector. So it'd be like puting your hand in front of a screen and making hand puppets, the persons nakedness would be exposed wherever the projector couldn't reach.

The other idea is for them to be plain grey holosuits. Then the projection could come from all over the body.

I would imagine that the second would be quite expensive.

I don't think it needs to be projected. There are experiments going on at MIT right now for electronic clothing and there are experiments concerning digital paper that is flexible. If you had a shirt made out of these materials, it could 'just change' right in front of your eyes and would look like a holo. Kinda like if your shirt was a fabric version of a LCD (like on a laptop, only flexible) panel.
AFAIK, in reality there's no way to project anything into the void. clothes could be like thin, flexible displays, like gibson's "mimetic polycarbon" (the panther moderns in neuromancer wear it) or the same concept you see in the "ghost in the shell" anime; that would be perectly possible, like johnny mentioned. but letting photons appear in arbitrary places and sending them off in arbitrary directions, like in star trek, has nothing to do with any actual existing or imaginable technical equiment. of course you *could* introduce that kind of magic to the sindome universe. in this case, it wouldn't be a mistake to spend some thoughts on some kind of pseudo-theory, introducing a projector that needs to be places properly and recharched periodically, etc. but being able to see someone naked by covering his/her projector, now that's silly.

of couse, while you cannot project anything into the void, because you need something to project light _on_, you could naturally project objects into _air_. however, you would need something like several perfectly coordinated laser cannons to do such a thing, and there's no way to attach them to the body that should be dressed. and yeah, it would be see-through if it wasn't supposed to be blindingly bright. a huge amount of cpu power would have to be invested in measuring the body's movements and calculate how the clothing would fall, swing around etc.

by the way, have a look at the show riviera pulls off in neuromancer – a totally different (and, imho, equally unrealistic/stupid) approach to virtual clothing.

But you have to consider something when introducing new technologies into a given game world, particularly if you want the world to be believable. Now, holo-projecting clothes, what would be the ramifications of that kind of tech? Couldn't people mod them to make them basically invisible? Couldn't they make that Total Recall/Escape From L.A. holo-projector doohickey? Couldn't they use this kind of technology to easily disguise themselves? I mean hey, between the holo-clothing and all the other electronics available, people could easly build some very powerful gear for a few thousand chyen.. "The Street finds it's own uses for things"(W.G.), no?
The jumpsuit idea seems to be the best one… and that would realistically be possible now. Only it'd be ungodly expensive.

We already have LCD displays, whats stopping us from making LC thread? Jack it into a control mechinism and then blamo. You add power and can reconfigure the crystals to your hearts extent. Using that, the computer can run through and configure each thread individually to create shapes, colors, etc.

well, maybe it _would_ be ungodly expensive to produce "configurable threads", but actually, to make a display in the form of a jumpsuit wouldn't be expensive at all. scientists are currently experimenting with plastic foil that can chanche the colour of individual pixels. some are building a canvas that can be rolled up, others produce elements in arbitrary shapes, like a dashboard that displays the virtual instruments of a car. this stuff is already working now and it's consisting mainly of plastic (yes, even the glowing pixels themselves, stop thinking about liquid crystals), so i see no reason why it shouldn't be possible to wrap a person in that stuff in 50 years.

using something like that for cloaking wouldn't work much better than an ordinary camouflage pattern that mimics the background you're standing in front of. of course, the ability to adapt to a new background in the fraction of a second would eb a huge advantage, but still you couldn't do much more than lean against a wall and stop moving to hide from people that are on the other side of a fairly big room. you couldn't walk thorugh the middle of the room and expect your chameleron-clothes to project an exact image of what ever your body occludes into any possible direction.

one more thing i'd like to add to the discussion: in order to generate an image consisting of pixels, you have two choices: either you want to be your screen to be as dark as possible (like tv or pc monitors or backlit lc displays) and emit light, or you want to change it's colour, i.e. the wabelengths of the light it reflects (like passive lc displays). one technique wouldn't work well in a very bright environment, while the other would have it's problems in dark situations. so maybe you'd want your chameleon-clothes to be able to do both.

Uhm….wow...I just watched like all of that, apart from what Johnny said about the LCD go right over my head.

Can someone translate it into low-tech English for me?

Speaking from a purely slutty character point of view, I think "projected" clothing would be fun. Nothing like covering a projector and seeing someone nude.  And that's all I have to say.
@tash: i assume that your request for explanations in more basic terms was partly directed at me, but, being an autistic tech-head, i'm afraid that i couldn't do much better in a reasonable amount of time if i just re-wrote my posts. it would help if you asked some specific questions. or we could also talk about the subject interactively, over IRC or icq or anything, just contact me at [email protected] (err, okay, [email protected] would do, but i like inventing new e-mail aliases so much *g*).

@chastity: oh yeah, projected clothes, what a funny idea… but actually, you didn't even provide half of an idea there. you didn't mention what the clothes should be projected _on_ (the naked skin? now that would be cool), nor from _where_ they should be projected (where would you mount projectors that cannot be covered? inside the person, beaming through the guts onto the back of the skin?).

Actually, shin, it was in response to a previously suggested idea. It's not like it was *my* idea, therefore needing no full explanation.

(Edited by Chastity at 10:57 am on Mar. 28, 2002)

of course it wouldn't need a full explanation, if you'd mention what you're referring to. tell us what idea you mean, or the date and/or author of the posting, whatever… just don't assume that everyone who reads your post read everything that was posted before and still remembers contributions that are over a week old in detail, okay? e.g., it would be sufficient to say "i think projected clothing like stonemonk described it is very cool." however, as cool as it may be, i see no way how something like that could make sense in the sindome universe. as far as i know, there's quite some advanced technology in the dome, but no magic.
Thanks to everyone who tried helping me. I've figured out what I am going to do and how I am going to do it. Now I just have to rp it out. Keep an eye out and see if you can spot it once its implimented through RP.