Ya know what?!

What's sad is when people won't do certain things because of those OOC connections. But that's not everyone, and it is after all, a game. We're all here to have fun and it seems that most people are accomplishing that. �Everyone should make an effort to roleplay true to the character they have made. �If that person is a hardcore ass raping bitch, so be it. �Or, if they made a sweet naive character and play him/her consistently, then leave them in peace to do so.

Withmore City takes in those who are good, chews them up, and spits them back out. �I know my character came to The Dome with grand morals, high ideals, and the belief that every human is inherently good. �But why not ask her what she thinks of that now? �For me, the enjoyment of roleplay comes from changing her, watching Withmore "take her virginity" so to speak.

There are many conflicts going on all around us. Some of them are emotional, some moral, some are a matter of survival, and others are plain physical pain and effort. �That's what life is, and Withmore's a reflection of humanity. �Whether it's in 2087, 2002, or 56789, it's being played by humans and therefore conflict is an essential, pivotal piece of it.

There are many kinds of friends too, you'll find. �There are those who would be willing to shoot their friend if they believed it was for the better good. �You may argue that they're not the best friends, or you may argue that they're the truest friends of all. �But… the fact is it takes ALL sorts of people to make a world, and SD would suck if no one was a "fluffy bunny." �Every world has its pacifists, its war-mongers, its torn lovers, (straight, bi, gay and lesbian) its friends, its foes, its assholes, and its dipsticks. SD is no different.

As for the prices of clones, I agree they're too low. �Upping the price of clones would up the value of human life. �You don't want people killing their friends to save them from bounty hunters on the FT terminal? �Then let's make it so most people don't have clones to fall back on. �Or make more permanent damage, loss of stats or something... that would increase the desire to survive and therefore decrease the "marshmallowdom."

This has been the longest reply I've posted! Whew, I'm done now.

Its not fluffy bunny to make friends IC or help your friends out, even if that means you help them avoid a hit on them.
Its not fluffy bunny to play your character as being more interested in socialising than knifing or shooting people, if that is what they are like as a character - if you are being true to their character.
Its not fluffy bunny to not kill your OOC friend's characters if your character has no reason to do it IC. In fact I'd say its damn twinkish to kill them without an IC reason to do so.

Everyone complained that the game was too nice. Too fluffy bunny. And now how many people have lost clones in the last few weeks and they're still complaining.  

As for the cost of clones...you know, not to poke fingers, but its pretty easy for people with corporate jobs to talk about how the costs of clones should be higher when they're raking in a regular income with very little rp time and effort put into it. Try coming up with ten grand or five grand when doing runs for Bruce as a newb with little charisma. Or hell, even as my character who despite the popularity of her clothing makes fuck all in wages. I know people who make more doing Bruce runs - which are not available for people with coded jobs to do.

Life is taken for granted. That's part of the theme. People know they can have a clone and short change death. You're thinking to much like someone living in the Judeo-Christian structured societies of today.  Murder, assault, petty crimes happen on a mass scale in the theme. They're supposed to. That's the whole point. Otherwise we'd all be sitting in Starfucks drinking our frappacinos and eatting chocolate tipped biscotti while making fun of crack whores we saw on Jerry Springer the day before.

Sindome is supposed to be a world largely alien to that we live in now. How many of us live in a city with over sixty-five million people in it? None. How many of us carry knives, brass knuckles, and guns every day while walking around wearing armour? None.

And yes, Red is a cesspool. Yes there is open flowing sewage on the streets and you know there are nice messages put there in each room on red by the moo to describe it and the things you see. And after about two weeks of playing you just walk straight past them and don't even look unless there is graffiti you might not have seen before. Why? Because you're aclimitised to it like you damn well should be.

A very wise man, who's name I forget but it will come back to me, wrote in a book called Lives of Cell that humans are odd creatures. Give us death on a small scale and its tragic. We don't know how to handle it. We take it personally. But death in large numbers...hundreds, thousands, millions...its removed from us. We're numb to it. We tut at the television or the newspaper and say, "Oh how awful," or something equally suitable and then forget about it or talk about it in that illusive way we discuss all statistics.  And the point to this is that we should be ignoring the stuff IC because if we didn't we wouldn't be able to handle it. We'd go nuts, which yes works for some chars, but not all.

Imagine being born on RED and living your entire life there. Working in a sweatshop making trinkets for housewives up on BLUE, watching your friends die or kill themselves, fighting to find food and shelter. You somehow manage to scrape together the five grand to buy yourself a clone in the hopes that life will someday be worth living and every so often you get enough to go update so that if you die you won't forget important things like where you live, where your stash is, who your dealer is, and on yeah your kids. And you say life isn't considered precious because a clone doesn't cost 10k?  I say bull. Its not considered precious because people aren't developing that side of their characters. Or perhaps you aren't or maybe you just don't know people well enough to learn how they think about life.

Yeah...I'm done....for now.

We, as in the admin a few players, complain that the game is too nice. We make it dirtier, scummier more theme oriented and people complain about getting hit with dildos for no IC reason. Or the fact that they got killed or they don't have enough money, or that bruce is mean.

By the way, I've done the math and there is enough chyen to be made with bruce, you can easily make 10k a week, or damn near close to it, with bruce alone, plus there's SHI, yeah it's crappy pay, but grab a friend, go to SHI, work for an hour or two talk to your friend 200 extra chyen that you didn't have before. Don't want to put in the time to do it, then don't but don't complain.

And on another note, I have my carry permit and carry my .45 around where ever I go. Unless I'm out drinking then It stays at home…Guns and beer don't mix no matter what the people from west virginia say.

Life isn't concidered valuble because the tools are to easy to come by.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the clones, but that'd DAMN HURT, doncha think?

Quote: from Cube on 6:35 am on July 31, 2002[br]So back to basic's.

Hands up how many of you SD players out there played, worship or did strange things to 'Cyberpunk 2020'.

I should think there's a few of you, Now tell me. 2020 did it have clones to the degree where you could walk in off the street sit in some pod made from disused toilet tubes, feed it some chyen and pop 30 seconds later you've been cloned.

Me, I'm a CP2020 junkie (or was)

But there are some small, but very important differences between your average CP2020 campaign and SD.

First of all, in SD, newbies are cannon fodder in a fight. The power thet higher stats confer to someone who's been around longer than another is astounding.

In CP2020, if you have basic handgun skills, (say, 2 or 3), you creep up behind Jim the Solo who's getting it on with his input, and plug him behind the head, he's dead.

In your average MMORPG, SD included, if you have basic handgun skills (say, average to accomplished), and get in the Drome and try to shoot Bob The Guy with High Skills N' Stats,

DA-DUM, combat mode! You blow a ragged hole in Bob's groin, Bob flinches, turns around, plugs you six times, and you're off to Genetek.

The stat and skill range in MMORPGs in general needs to be smaller, stat/skill advancement opportunities need to be less plentiful, damage needs to be higher, and the difference between newbie and oldbie has to be blurred. Advantages due to stats and skills shouldn't be so big, advantages due to equipment should count for more. A character's age shouldn't make him or her raise the ass-kicking per capita rate, but character advancement should be more in the form of money, gear, fame, reputation and social status.

Then, people wouldn't mind losing their characters. More people would perma, and wouldn't care much. People would die more, and clones could be reserved for the extremely rich. Hell, you could even raise clones to 100k.

But then, gamers in general tend to be sissies and would rather play AD&D, where their lvl65 Whotzit-Fighter-Mage-Thief-Underwater Basket Weaver has 88 HP and can't be damaged by non-magical arbalests.

Thankfully AD&D is something that people grow out off.

I think that striking the happy middle ground and producing a moo or rp that everyone finds too thier liking is impossible. Sure it could be harder, it could be easier but whatever happens it will always generate a difference of opion that is clearly aprant in the above forum posts.

This isn't a bad thing.

But I'd still like to know about people from West Virginia and what they say about Guns and Beer ?

i guess in a sense, the change that some chars go through can be a good part of role-playing them� i mean think about it, every event that happens to you affects you somehow, so why would it be different with a char you�ve created? especially in a place such as withmore, it doesn�t matter if your char is an unemotional killing machine, a naive trusting doe eyed deer, a street rat hell bent on survival, or someone�s kid, you have to think about how the chars mind will react to certain things that happen to them as well as how these things will CHANGE your char down the road. i mean, you must be a super human if you came to a place like the dome and didn�t get twisted up somehow. the city gnaws at people. any place like that would change it�s citizens.

the updating is a good example, i try to treat it like at least something unpleasent!, i mean.. from the description, i would be scremaing in pain probably if i had to go through that, but hey, ;) Bias has a higher tolerance for pain then i do. little things like that, the sewers are a good example too… but that's probably another post....

in a future where death is a common sight, most humans could get used to the mindless deaths of the masses, strangers, etc, but many would still let themselves get close to other people and be effected by their deaths/betrayal/lies/etc�

and hey if it wasn�t for the naive trusting individuals, some chars wouldn�t have people to screw over no? :-P

hrm� i ramble pointlessly now, Tyllisa said a lot of what i was thinking. heh

(Edited by Shadow at 6:43 pm on Aug. 1, 2002)

Clones prices are fine now.  Tech gets better and cheaper so 10 and 5 is a bit high.

Fuck people over yes.  Pick pockets it's not that hard.

Fuck friends.  That's the jist of it oh and tash

"A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin