Health

Course, I remember when the healing rate was significantly faster than it is now and seem to recall several occasions when the suggestion of decreasing it further was thrown out.

The 10 death messages are your 'neural bleed-out' time before you're considered brain-dead.

But then we're getting down to initiative and 'first hit' stuff...I dunno if that's where we wanna go with combat *shrugs*

Dunno, decapitation is similar, though I think there will be a way to get new parts :p

A person could gouge out you eyes for that matter.

Unfortunately there's just simply too many posibilities for us to even begin exploring implementing them.

I reconize what your saying, and it is certianly something that we could take into concideration in the future, but presently there are other much more important things in the pipeline, like fixing the many mixed up messages in combat.

At any rate, I wanted to thank you all for your EXCELENT contributions to this topic. So far the converstaion has been very insightful, on target, honest, and intelligent, and while dismemberment and stat loss is an important aspect of combat, it's not something you can expect to see next week I'm afraid.

Thank you all very much. I look forward to anything more you have to say on the topic.

-Kevlar

As for heal time, i think end should not only allow you take less damage, but heal quicker, should it be lengthened yes, but days is too extreme, maybe like 6-12 hours from near death to be at 95-100%, just my thoughts on it…who cares?

Now, If you lower the rate, and code for nanites that would be awsome. Getting Nanites to repair your body through a blood transfusion or something like that. But I guess that comes under Cyberware, huh?

Just a thought.

The groundwork for varied healing rates by wound severity is already there, all that you need to do is -slightly- alter the healing queue code. Wounds are already stored individually on the character with data defining the exact severity of the wound, damage type of the wound, location of the wound and health level the character was at prior to the wound being inflicted. What I do -not- like, if we're going to get into the nitty-gritty like this, is that wounds heal -sequentially-. Wounds are removed one at a time when your health reaches a level sufficient to remove that wound. It actually took me a long time to make the wounds heal in reverse order correctly so that your first wound healed before your last one. But what doesn't make sense is the sequence thing…

Figure we have Joe with one mother of fucking all gunshot wounds, his stomach has been blown out his ass by some shmuck with a shotgun. Then we have Bill who got in a nasty tussle with a kid and his penknife, earning himself the nickname Mr. Laceration.

Now, poor Joe is going to spend a -long- time healing. No matter how hard he tries, his ass simply ain't sucking that spattered mess of his stomach back off the sidewalk. Bill, on the other hand, is quite possibly on the verge of death also from his wounds, but they are -numerous- and minor, the cumulative effects of his wounds being what is endangering his life.

Under the current system, Bill and Joe will heal at exactly the same rate and both be fighting fit at the same time when infact, Bill's massive wound should slowly heal while Joe's numerous wounds would all slowly heal -simultaneously-, thus allowing him to get back on his feet sooner.

Under the current wound systems we have our injuries behaving like nice polite english people, forming a queue and waiting their turn to heal. Oh, hi Mr. Gunshot-wound, well, you -were- here before me, I guess it's your turn to heal, I'll just stand around here and look bloody until your done, okay? Thanks.

Simultaneous healing of wounds with variable rates per damage type is what is needed.

Yes.

Oh, yea, I'm home safe and sound in the UK. If anyone rich and famous over here wants to hire a personal lacky or generally throw vast amounts of money at a poor homeless MOO progger, I'm available. Ass-kissing rates negotiable.

But for health levels, going back to what someone said earlier in the topic, Murphy I believe, medical science in 2087 is going to be incredibly advanced compared to what it os today. Medical science now has jumped leaps and bounds since 1975 even. Take for example my daughter who was born ten and a half weeks premature weighing three pounds and two-and a -half ounces, that's less than a gallon of milk. Had she been born that early in 1975 her chance of survival would have been only 15%, but being born last year her survival chance was 95%.  Also consider how medical science will be changed by the Genome project, which had to have occured in order to have the cloning the game relies so much upon.  They have already idenitied the chromosomes where the genetic mutations that cause things like Downs Syndrome and even Alzheimer's show up. Now imagine giving them another eighty-six years and think of the possibilities.

Rapid healing drugs, or even shots, heck even laser treatments are just a few of them.

the idea of having the healing rate be a more slow process would *really* be a blessing to those with characters who want to try and make a living doing medical things…

*shrug*

and what does it mean when you get the message
"there's not much you can do but first aid" or something like that.

(a unit of time could be 1 minute, 10 minutes, hours etc)

2. Fuller Med doesn't have the funds to waste on healing ANYONE to more than 60%...they just don't have the funds.

3. Allow med skill deterimine the % the doc-wanna-be is able to heal the patient. Even with uber-medical ability you couldn't get patient to GREAT! there'd still be the need for the body to simply rest.

4. have a med skill below average have the chance to injure the patient even more.

5. make it so that if you are a mom like desolate then you have the inherant ability to kiss your child's boo and it doesn't hurt anymore. Bonus for Timmy, suckage for the rest of us without Mommy's in the dome ICly.

Thanks.

It's a voting topic, so please vote on it, and discuss the pro's and cons, the average expected rate, and other related topics here.

Some time in the future the staff will review the topic taking your comments and votes into consideration, and decide if action is appropiate.

-Kevlar

other then that, i agree, for realism that there should be the ability to bleed to death after getting away from what�s injuring you�
(random question: does the @fatal setting effect injury/damage to an opponant when a weapon is in use?)
though for playability, i think the whole bleeding to death would have to be only after the injury crosses a certain line of severity. or you�ll have people bleeding to death over a single cut (picturing people dying from rat scratches/�friendly� duals/cigarett burns ;) here), �there�s realism and annoyingness. so like, bob gets stabbed/shot/maimed/burnt �X < amount of times and bleeds to death if he�s a cheapskate and doesn�t feel like seeing a doc/medpak/ his mom� make sense? dunno, i�m sleepy…

wait� i just thought of something� isn�t bleeding to death already in the game? is it for stab wounds or gun shot wounds? i swear my char was once near death because of being shot. or so i was told or something. *confused*

uhm.. i had something else in my brain� *ponders* (no really, i�m sitting here scratching my head trying to remember it)

*cough*

la la la�

oh right, food! and drinking� heh. maybe to allow for some more money flow in game, if you eat a meal, your rate of healing increases by a bit? no one eats, so no one goes to the places that serve food and no one pays them any money (the pizza place is a good example of that one i think). we all know that we should have starved to death a long time ago :P

and such things as booze and drugs slow the rate of healing? (other then the really cool idea of drugs that help speed up healing like Murphy suggested) maybe if taken with booze and "bad" drugs they'll kill you! YEAH! ok... too far... i go now.

dunno.. just some rambly thoughts.. i need sleep now. yesh� sleep... god DAMn it's only midnight, on a saturday... i'm getting old.

...i think it's saturday...

whoa... this post turned long... wtf. sorry :P

(Edited by Bias at 11:25 pm on Jan. 4, 2003)

We will be looking into enacting a change in the near future and unless someone has a REALLY good reason why it shouldn't be slowed to a less frantic pace, I suspect the change will get made.

And remember, were (still) not talking weeks or months here like it would really be. Probablly not even days. And getting a Doc to heal you works very well.

-Kevlar