Another fantastic firearms idea
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Over the years I have tried to get many changes done to the firearms structure so to speak with what I like to consider some success, so posting this might actually not be a waste of time. Prior to max ue, and with no expectations of max ue ever becoming a thing, there were few sub machine guns and shotguns in the game that cost as much as a vehicle to obtain. It meant that you were likely to never be able to use one on a regular basis if at all, and if you wanted to be a firearm user then selecting pistols was your only realistic choice, so myself and a former admin undertook an initiative to introduce lower tiered SMG’s and rifles. I did this during my downtime overseas and lost my laptop with tons of attack messages and “fill in the blank” type formats for these firearms due to a rude explosive local, so I was only able to complete two firearms (a low tier smg and the games first “assault rifle “) since then others have picked up the momentum there and implanted a few more of the weapons in a tier like manner. For the most part I think the additions have all been great and I’m theme to their models and styles. What I am more proposing is an idea to add to, not take away, from these things.

Pistols

I would argue that in Sindomes life span That Pistols have been the most popular firearm used for obvious reasons. They are easier to obtain, there are more of them with various calibers, and they are easily concealed. Now, the only thing I suggest here, is take the calibers that lack “choice”(what I will refer to as a firearm that is the only kind of it’s caliber and not with a different model with the same caliber) , clone those guns, use http://cyberpunk.asia/weapons.php?cat=4&action=show&lng=us for reference, maybe plus or minus some accuracy or damage rates, port the attack messages, and put out a real CP handgun while keeping it’s early 1990’s equivalent (maybe help further class divide by selling the CP model corpside and making it a rare find in the mix and vice verse for current models)

Oh, one other thing, can we limit pistols with 16 inch barrels, tru sight lasers, scopes and extended magazines and silencers from fitting in your shoulder holster?

Here is a photo of an 11mm Seburo :D

Sub Machinguns

After long discussions on OOC-Chat with smg users and as a former smg user, SMG’s leave many of their fans wanting. In a CP future where urban ware fare is the battlefield, SMGs SHOULD be the choice of professionals! Some you can hold with one hand, some you need both. The main drawback I noticed was automatic fire took just as long to smoke someone (in most cases, and of course there are other factors) as it did with semi auto fire. The most obvious difference is style points and ammo consumption. My suggestion for these would be the same theme as pistols. Variety. Fortunately I do believe a good job was done with the CP implementation aspect. Current SMG users please chime in here. Also, add an smg specific gun mod; arm brace for a tiny accuracy boost.

Here is a CP SEBURO (;D) SMG

Rifles

Rifles are in my opinion, got the shaft. I say this because of the implementation of the carbine styles, while cool, still use pistol munitions and probably other stuff. The shotguns are pretty cool and fun, but Hows about an automatic shotgun? I can’t say much about rifles at the moment, but variety in the carbines could be fun but probably not needed.

CP auto shotgun;

Small magazine size vs no need to pump?

Heavy Weapons

While not strictly limited to firearms, at the moment this is probably one of if not the most useless skill in game and something I bet people would cream their pants to get into. Some say it needs to coincide with vehicle combat, and while making total sense, I disagree that it FULLY needs to coincide. I think someone operating a low caliber belt fed light machine gun can fit right into the combat spectrum. To my understanding, the old heavy weapon was pulled from the game for balancing. When that will get done is anyone’s guess, but something that is cumbersome, requires both hands, an additional stat to govern, and slow moving, could really end up being a huge addition when your chugging out 12 round bursts of 5.56 or 7.62 into your target or attacker. I can think of so many scenarios this would be great in and would start pumping UE into heavy weapons if even an M249 was implemented.

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It’s not the most CP, but it is an example of a very portable and operable “heavy weapon” in the light Machine gun sense. We can wait until vehicle combat to start talking about .50’s and RPG-7’s. Promise.

POP POPS AND THE DISPOSABLE GENERATION

Disposable guns should be cheap and plenty. I think the implementation of every caliber into the pilot pistol line would be a great thing. You could finally be shooting a .45 at one time use prices instead of trying to find a plug for one and actually affording it. The drawback? You can’t use it once you run dry! That is a HUGE drawback. I propose though we FURTHER expand this to encompass rifles, shotguns, and possibly SMG’s (maybe not, I imagine the production cost would make this a pretty silly move on the pop pop corporation business model for anything higher then 9mm

Pictured is a cp disposable shotgun. I believe it has one shot in it. Obviously uses in Sindome style of combat but maybe it comes with a 4 shot magazine?

Now after reading this you are probably thinking,”Grizzly, these are all ok ideas and all, but the admin are over worked, and doing other things like grid 3.0, chefs island recipes, coded fapping ect.” Which is great. No complaint there, but why not take some volunteers, because I know there are a few of us who would love to work on this, give us the formats, and let us see what we can come up with? It’s a lot of work for any one person, especially if they aren’t available, so put a team of well balanced individuals behind the wheel and see where the car goes. If it crashes, hey, we suck and don’t implement. If it rides, even better!

Anyways, thanks for reading and I hope you enjoyed this fantastic post.

You may now comment with your agreement, suggestions, and disapproval, let’s just keep it all on topic! Thanks.

I volunteer for tribute.

I know quite the circle that'd be willing to help and the rest of the work for admins would be to just balance things out.

Effectively it should be a toggle, where you take a hit to your accuracy, but each shot counts as a new projectile, letting you either miss a fucking lot, or riddle a dude full of lead for huge damage. This'd translate to both assault rifles/carbines, and SMGs.

All I'll say is there's a lot of content creators in the game without much of anything terribly worthwhile to do, and collaborating on weapons (arguably the most important items in the game) diversification or elaboration is something I suspect a lot of people would be willing to spend their time on, and these are all excellent suggestions as is.

I think SMGs and rifles are also a bit vague. It seems that SMGs are more assault rifles, while rifles would be defined more as semi auto. This gets weird because the lines blur. I almost wonder if they could be grouped into one skill.

I have some links that have some interesting modern weapons tech. A picture of the ammunition I mentioned, a technology that allows a perfect shot, and a pistol with a built in suppressor that has a very cyberpunk feel.: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/LSAT_ammo_belt.jpg https://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/xl_100500293_4.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmteh_NChOQ

+1

I know it's a lot of messaging potentially but it seems like there was an enthusiastic response with all the people who contributed to the drug messaging stuff.

Don't know if any of my drug messages were added but I'm happy to contribute text towards this as well.

Firearms are super cool and super effective. For all the perks/disadvantages - I think the thing which should be the biggest priority is ammo types which do different types of damage. Otherwise, I'm super down for all this gun nerd shit. Pew. Pew. Pew!

You can make them from scrap or smuggle them from Mexico. This could also be 'futuristic', like old weaponry from the corporate world wars that got out of circulation or feels outdated, etc. So like cheaper, breakable or maintenance dependent less deadly weapons, would be dope.

I'd love like a cyberpunk blunderbuss, that you could fill with Kro's scrapyard chucks or other random tash and unload it on a bunch of people.

Also, I agree that heavy weapons if they ever are a proper thing should be ridiculously heavy, more so than an X05 because that thing is designed for people to move around with it. Mounted weaponry, should be set up at a location and have cool downs to assemble and disassemble (settable on vehicles some day too). And if handled without a mount you would get massive penalties to aim.

I like this idea in broad strokes +1 and there probably are volunteers out there to take care of the non-mechanical aspects.

Sniping is also a very outstanding tactic. You should be able to do it to a huge degree of effectiveness with rifles. Do I suggest we make your carbine greater or equal to that one I won’t talk about but you rifle users all know about? No. But with gun mods we should be coming kinda close yannow?

Also, balancing out a lmg would be no different then anything else. Does your ooc ignorance to the other classes of firearms dictate your want to step outside? I mean with what is already in-game it’s pretty shady out there. If my neighbors all had .45’s with full auto I’d be a bit more nervous. I don’t believe wanton ic mass shootings are a big deal now, might up the tempo with new toys but it will even out :D

And gat dangit can we not discuss chainsaws and flamethrowers?!? Thanks!

Guns just kill people too fast. Need more suffering IMO.

I'll see myself out of this thread. 💘

You lost me. All I got was something about you wanting chainsaw bullets with a flame DoT effect to overcome new player ignorance. 😜

Second of all, I don't think reskins would be a bad idea, but they need to be new entities, not just replaced (because it would be weird waking up to find your old Glock 20 a brand spanking new Seburo 30). Maybe make the CP reskins way more expensive.

I would love to eventually see the old 20th century guns get a damage and accuracy debuff, because they should be old shitty guns at this point, but there's only so much a man could hope for.

As much as I hate wholesale retcons and changes, I think the 'cleanest' way to change the guns is to just to a mass find and replace on the current guns with the reskinned ones. With the right user education campaign ahead of time to tell people what to expect, it should go pretty smoothly. By that I mean, let people know "Your Glock 20 is going to become a Seburo 30, but will mechanically / functionally act the same." Give people three months, or six months or whatever heads up.

God, please give me more smudges.

I think more SMG’s would be cool, but also the core behind SMG’s is something I would think needs some love. Example; I was a max ue solo with above curve smg. It wasn’t my go to for so many mechanical and practical reasons but if those weren’t issues it would have been. Regardless, I liked SD combat science and experimented on a particular subject. I killed this person two different times, once with a pistol, once with a near equal smg variant. They had same armor, and probably more or less the same stats/skills each time I killed them. I had just as many rounds with the smg on full auto as I did with the pistol (I tracked it for science) but I spent probably 4x the amount of ammo.

Now am I asking for full auto to turn smg into one hit killers? No. But I think if I spend 5-7 rounds per trigger squeeze I should be racking out some massive damage albeit at less accuracy, especially since most if not all of them have two modes of fire.

The biolocked gun in game is only able to be picked up by another person in that faction.

If you made joe Biden guns for specific corporations, that might work out, but that also seems at odds with what we want to accomplish ( but you could explain it in the same sense the US military has a contract for M4’s and the Germans have H&K’s or whatever) and it would ultimately just clutter things.

As for weapon reskinning I favour simply changing the existing weapons to new skins and asking players to overlook the change. Like Hek, I think this is the simplest solution and avoids bloat even if it does have potential to be a little immersion breaking. Keeping the old weapons and adding new equivalent weapons doubles the amount of firearm items in existence without adding any functionality.

Would it be based off their skill as a smith? Would they pick a template weapon to work with from the already pre-existing weapons in the game, and then have their chance at succeeding at making the weapon's reskinned variant be based on the skill? Would this then make that archetype simply too strong, as they can jut out some of the most powerful weapons in the game? Would the LoW need to find the templates somehow for the weapons to be able to make these aesthetically different yet otherwise carbon copies of the weapons?

I like the idea of giving weaponsmiths something more to do, but I'd also love to hear just how you think it'd work, Jotun because I actually like the idea, I'm just slightly concerned about there becoming a flood of gats, or that it might be a little bit overpowered

When Inwas making guns in Sindome, Firestorm, who was the senior admin at the time, just made me a parent object for said gun and gave me access to edit some of the parameters and messages for them.

If my memory serves correct, I could edit accuracy, damage (damage was per weapon not per weapon of caliber, IE there were two 9mm smgs and one could wreck house and one couldn’t) make it one handed or two handed, set attacks, set attack range so you would only roll attacks you had the skill value for, fire modes (we tried to put semi, burst, AND full on something and we hit a brick wall :D) among other things.

That is the only reason I say you could have better models of the same caliber or Corp/mix division.