The only problem is how they'd print out though, unless it prints out of your mouth or you shit it out or something. Open to ideas in that part.
Maybe it could interface with an e-note printer or something? Like...there's a memory slot or something like that? Like a skillsoft?
A port or jack that you could plug a memory module into? It stores the "photo" that could be moved to an e-note and printed from there?
Photo printing kiosks? Hmmm ....
My first thoughts:
The room must be told when a picture is taken.
Pictures CAN'T be printed; for your eyes only.
Module makes the cyber eye look different somehow.
as a disadvantage the memory should only be allowed to hold 3 photos maximum at one time to avoid people just taking photos of everything along with a cool down of the chrome, or if you do it multiple times you fuck up because your neurons misfire or something due to all the visual stimulus at once
I don't see why they can't be printed, what's the point in me taking a photo at all if I can't use it as evidence to show people?
Instead it'd make people hire lookouts to make sure their biz being conducted is safe and the area is secure. Which means more RP for more people.
I tend to be cautious though so there is a very real chance I am overreacting here. :-)
If someone went through the effort to get all this chrome and is snooping around and people know it's possible, I very well would hire someone -- even an immy -- to stick around outside the room the biz is being held in and see if someone is attempting it, considering telescopic lenses already give you away as it is and anybody can see where you look towards with them.
This would be great for the pay data aspect of things.
Dear me are people practicing caution with their crimes?!?!!
Are people still not going to care? Yup!
Is it gonna be in every player? Probably not but maybe you should buy a cyberware defector and make sure. I highly doubt this would be bad for the game.
While I agree, it is neat, I think balancing wise, it undermines the options already present and wouldn't add anything to or shake up the longstanding meta. The same for while any new private recording devices haven't emerged.
The more obfuscation in the game, the better.
Photo-taking cameras take actual evidence that can be printed out and viewed by others at any time. Photo-taking cameras can also be stolen from someone's hands, picked up and stolen, sold, retrieved and viewed after the fact. They can be temporarily handed over to be viewed by the necessary authorities.
The only way it works is under Grey's suggestion of striking out the print option for a camera eye module. Otherwise there's only two ways to view, erase or take the photos from someone who's just shot them: cybernetic removal or removal by death.
Unless you want to add in a security tech/general tech/general use tool like analysers which could scan an eye for the module, read/view the pictures, copy the pictures and/or delete the pictures forcibly. So you'd have to balance that too in addition to creating the tool, you'd have to consider if potential skill checks are needed.
It sounds like a lot of “I wanna do hood rat things with my friends but I don’t want to have any risk of getting caught “. Which is silly in big brother world if you don’t practice caution.
If people wanted to do hood rat things with their friends without risk of being caught, people would advocate for the removal of all cameras, of any kind, all chrome surveillance and all secure tech gear. No one's doing that here from what I've read. Some people are pointing out the differences in picture taking cameras opposed to other kinds of chrome/gear, though, and why it turns into a balance issue.
I also offered a perfectly viable solution (time permitting to code, of course; so maybe not so viable) if people insisted on the print option. Could also work that into deckers being able to forcibly delete pictures in grid 3.0 if a person with a eye camera module is linked in to the grid. That might get a little messy, though. Analysing tools could be the best course of action.
Alternatively, I could counter your last sentence with "it sounds like a lot of 'combat characters want to be able to take pictures with only one way to take it away from them - combat'.
Which I don't think is the case of Ranger's original suggestion. I don't think it's the case of Grey, HolyChrome or my comments about balance issues either, despite your witty remark. We're pointing out the differences between all other surveillance equipment and photo-taking cameras inside the game. It's important to recognise the differences and how providing physical evidence is a big deal with how the world is coded, constructed and the tools available to our characters.
I've been an advocate for things like telescopic lenses on cameras before, but knowing that there's no counter to them, besides being disguised, is a bit against the grain.
There's tons of ways to take pictures and document things already.
However the key to it is in the sell. The RP you put into what loose things you have.
It's not about people getting away with things. It's not about people getting caught. It's not about catching other people. It's about the space between all those things that I think is important to take into account here.
Combat characters needing to take a photo but wanting it only taken away through combat? I don’t see the relevance of your example because that is mainly (or the threat of such) relieve someone of their cameras already.
Look, I’m not going to further debate it, because It will probably never happen. We have more CP things to worry about like photo albums and color coordinated lipsticks I’m just saying it’s a great idea for cyberware and removing an ability to print a photo from a camera renders said camera useless. This is hugely fact. You know it, I know it, they know it. Three sources right there.
Chrome overlapping with certain other aspects of the game happen and bringing that up is kind of a moot point. Just take vee chummer instead of using that chrome! sounds very funny to me.
I also disagree that there are already loads of options to take photos already, HolyChrome. I really don't think so, but I guess our sense of 'a lot' differ so I can't say anything about that.
Telescopic lenses aren't anonymous. I don't see what the fuss is about considering you can see people using them. If you do your biz on the street and someone from far away notices it, that is kind of your fault.
For the 'sake of RP and balance' some of the comments are trying to make it seem like this would make it harder and make people think twice before doing their business in public... and I believe that should be a thing anyway?
In regards to cameras being able to be stolen and given away - this can't be given away to the authorities. There's one of your cons.
You want people to be able to pick the photos from people? Make it so that you need to slot a memory module like a skillsoft that you can take in/out. You see someone snap a photo? Demand them to take the memory chip and give it to you like a celebrity aping out at paparazzi.
I really don't see the problem you said when chrome has and is supposed to make things easier for you, the player, with aspects of the game. Just like my examples above regarding binoculars.
Pick up the photos from people WITHOUT necessarily having to kill them. Which I think also would be another con because then when you take a picture with this you might have signed your death sentence as opposed to using a normal camera. Riskier. I also don't see why that's a problem.
I simply feel that are a variety of things that probably could and should be thought of by those who call the shots and by us players. Just because something sounds cool doesn't mean it will have a healthy impact on the game. Doesn't mean it will encourage or necessitate PvP and conflict and risk taking. Maybe this would and maybe it wouldn't. I just want it to be considered.
I feel I am fairly familiar with a lot of the surveillance systems and forms of proof available in the game. I will be completely honest and say that I don't like a lot of them for various reasons. Some feel way over powered and have no real counter available. Some, in my opinion, result in PCs sitting in front of screens instead of going out to gather data or paying people to do so. And I may be in the minority but this idea of pervasive surveillance already existing in the game means it's all good is not a given for me.
I agree that sitting in front of screens happens. And I also think something like this would actually have people get up and go out to actually spy on people with counterplay possible (lookouts or your regular camera counter -- chase them down).
I think it'd definitely encourage PvP considering so far from the ways I suggested you end up either being killed or forced to give something away.
But again, that's of course up to the staff to actually debate.
+1
If you're a mixer, and you want to do mixer things, give your figurative balls a tug and do them. Tell everyone to take a picture and draw their lips across afformentioned balls cause you are a badass. Or, if you even think they took your picture, stomp their face in and prove it.
I like the camera eyes idea, and wireless transmitting could be good if you just have to "balance" I personally don't understand why but hey you do you. If someone could sneak up behind you, or tackle you and hold you down, and wave {insert whatever device you want to make do this} behind your head and steal your photos. Problem solved IMHO.
I love this overall idea btw, I like adding more ways to create information-as-power and general paranoia to the game, and offer folks more things to do than combat. Fantastic idea.
