Give tobacco products actual nicotine
Where's the drugs at?

I swear smoking a butt gives you some kind of fatigue/endurance modifier. Has anyone noticed this? It would be apparent in @stats after taking it. Not at a computer or I'd check.

I don't remember seeing it either, but I also RP the addiction. I would say (and I know this has been talked about a lot) that cigarettes provide an interesting RP partially because it adds a lot of character but also because the Drugs in the game have nonsensical reactions. Drugs should have an up and a down that is reflective of the high, the same would make sense with smoking. Clear your mind a little with something like a small PER or INT but reverse the bonus to a negative when the effect wears off.

Having the ability to grow your own cigar/cigarettes from the same gear that makes other smokables would be pretty sweet.

If you smoke cigarettes in real life the effect is not very palpable. The cigarette messaging already tells you what you need to know IMO.

I think 1) you are asking to much of mere cigarettes, a ubiquitous item that exists primarily for fluff and flavor and 2) including status lines for every little advantage or disadvantage in the game gamifies things in a way that is not rp-friendly and 3) you seem to be arguing for withdrawal scripts for cigarettes, which will just make everyone not use them.

Cigarettes in the world in Sindome's universe have no nicotine if I recall correctly, that or cancer from them has been entirely eliminated, thanks to technology. What does this mean? Cigarettes are there to serve as an 'addiction' or a habit to fuel, in a consumerist mega corp future, as such growing your own CIGARETTE's seems incredibly silly and something that would be regulated by the major tobacco companies. Convenience vs. Realism, people will stop buying packs of smokes from the stores and making the drug trade more profitable. Basically, cigarette's are RP tools, they are not as we know them today. They do not make your mind feel clearer or heighten your perception, and cigarette's do the opposite of these for me. They are quite literally a habit to feed, and there's no need to begin giving them stat modifiers with their current IC lore and uses. Use it to enhance your RP but don't expect them to be anything like drugs, to run off it's system, or like Vera said, contradict their RP use by adding more conditions associated with them that are visible instead of subtle, and not communicated, as it should be with their claims on nicotine based products.

Yes, I did read the entire thread.

I think this is in reference to an IC commercial. And to be honest I don't think it matters too much anyways. Nicotine, the main addictive substance in a cigarette, does not cause cancer. So the idea that a brand of cigarette claims that smoking doesn't kill you does not mean that they can't be addictive - or even that they are telling the truth.

Further, I am against the idea that smoking should give you any kind of stat bonus. It makes no sense to me. And while withdrawal symptoms could make sense I am not sure if it's really worth it. I don't see how adding withdrawal symptoms would benefit RP. I believe that the main purpose for them being there for drugs to provide balance.

Lastly, I -believe- that it is the 'ht' command that will show the impact cigarettes have on your character and if it is, it is not super obvious. Not 100%sure though.

Guys they're just cigarettes.

On-topic, I think having a cheap, plentiful and largely flavor-driven drug is actually how I'd prefer the drug system to work for most drugs, so I kinda like them as they are.

We decided to leave cigarettes alone. People seem overwhelmingly convinced they don't need any changes.

Cheers.