* Evading a grapple
* Escaping a grapple
* Evading combat
* Initiating combat
* Jumping across rooftops
* Hitting your target in combat
The possibility of success should degrade as your health is reduced. That way you're less likely to evade a grapple if you're struggling to remain conscious compared to being in magnificent condition.
So +1 for me.
If that's the design goal then okay.
Unless that is a thing but my personal experience has shown it isn't.
In which case I usually just @trust them to grapple me and let them do it and not resist, but having scaling with stamina to ensure it doesn't happen would be beneficial if there are players not abiding by this, though even this kind of code change would probably change a few combat mechanics from the top of my head.
Even if someone manages to escape a grapple while on low health it would mean that their condition isn't screwed to the point that they're crawling yet. And if they're close to that state then catching them would be easier since they may or may not collapse.
I just don't see how it's any different than you stabbing the living drek out of someone, bringing them extremely near death, then them managing to flee. It's a thing that, in my opinion, should remain possible unless the game says they're exhausted.
1. Would this make agility and stealth even more necessary/OP (because getting the first hit and MORE hits in would cause your opponent to death-spiral faster)?
2. If it's tied to stamina, would that lower the usefulness of armor?
3. If it's tied to health, would that more or less guarantee the win between equal combatants when one of them strikes first?
These questions mainly pertain to it lower combat effectiveness. I don't have any problem at all with lowered chance to flee combat or evade/escape grapples. The situation villa is referencing was a bit silly and I think it does point to an unrealistic element in those mechanics.
It'd not make agility or stealth more OP, or lower the usefulness of armor, or guarantee a win between equal combatants.
Because we (at least most of us here have agreed on this I believe) aren't saying your rolls should be degrading as you get more injured -- just that if you're very tired to the point where you can't walk or take out an item you also shouldn't be able to flee or dodge a grapple or whatever else (or at least suffer major drawbacks)
On the spectrum of ridiculous, impossible, reality-defying events, a grapple breaking once during some RP wouldn't really rise to the bar of 'revamp the combat system'. It's something to RP around, not a fundamental flaw in the system.
A very highly realistic combat system wouldn't be fun, and fun should always (and usually does) trump fun when we're talking about a game, rather than a simulator, and win-more mechanics would certainly be a negative addition to what is already the very all-or-nothing affair that combat often is in SD.
Now... if they're able to break your grapple and they still have some juice left do be ready to pursue, or have a plan in place in case that happens. I think this is very similar to when a system was asked for so vehicles couldn't be opened from the inside by unauthorized characters. No capture should be one hundred percent successful until someone is safely within your evil lair.
If I just stabbed you so much you passed out, and you're gasping for air on the floor, unable to get up or defend yourself, you shouldn't be nimbly leaping out of the way when I go to pick you up so I can take you to the hospital or my nerd jail or whatever.
-But- as an aside,
So here it's perfectly okay to place a systematic or scaling restriction removing player agency on a stat or action, based on another unrelated stat?
Second aside...
Hell if it's not already a thing, implementing this might allow some fun, I can foresee a lot of "good gameplay" in grieving people by catching them roofhopping places up high or with no sane route down without injury, and, beating them near to death then choking them out twice, robbing them, and just leaving them there to wait the hours or days they'd need to recover that fatigue and injury enough to hop home.
Third aside...
That second aside might be the reason that it's not a thing.
Another option maybe would be calling an aero to cart in a medic with everup or someone to grab you, but at that point the bills on someone who just got robbed and trapped go up and up and up, and it would again be too easy to do to people who might not think of these solutions, which would just immensely please the griefers. And it gets exponentially stupider from there. Like some rooftops not allowing you to land on them.
But that is a good option for RP yeah.
I agree with this, and this is why the system is the way it is when it comes to combat rolls.
The system already takes into account defending yourself while severely fatigued-- you don't. If you are only able to crawl, you are only able to crawl, you can't be dodging katana slashes or bullets.
If you are dodging grapples while in a condition where you would otherwise be crawling or not defending yourself in combat this is an oversight in the grapple code and should be @bug'd so it can be fixed. We already do fatigue checks on a number of other actions, and dodging a grapple should be one of them.
