Armor Fixes
increasing your survival rate

Right now no changes should be felt by the players as we are in the math phase, but soon things should start to change.

Things being taken into account are armor layering, armor type (soft, weave, plates, etc), weight and the new range of damage on weapons.

Also we have a few gaps in out armor lists, so if you want to help making new armor descriptions and worn messages into the game, let us know. While this doesn't mean that custom armor will be implemented with the armor overhaul, it means that we will have a basic ruleset on how our armor works. And that might be the starting point for custom armor. For now buy the protection you need and overlay a pretty desc over it.

All under the same corporation... q.e.d

Cova Yo Ass

Hard Knocks

Distance (this would be light armor)

I can throw them up here as well as i'm sure my own suggests arent very good as fashion aint my thing. but its its going to prompt others that are better then i can if that's going to be of help?

EcoGear Softshell series (jacket, pants, onesie, gloves)

Leather Jacket (real leather)

Utility and gear that tells a story of where you're from plus social status is always nice.

The softshell line from EcoGear is an example of this. Not really armor in a knife/bullet/bat proof way, but it will protect you from cold and heat and prevent any damage from it. Of course other materials like leather do give you some protection from physical damage. Most of these basic protection items were non-existing so we needed to create one line of clothing to cover it. Hence it takes longer. After we have these new items, I can go and make sure they work as they should, price them accordingly and set them on sale on the current stores.

With the hoodies, xo5 and judge armor, I just needed to make sure it had the right armor values, price, weight and penalties. Same will happen with all existing neXus, DuWear, Protek and etc...

Once that pass is ready we will see what needs to be created to fill the existing gaps in the armor range in the game.

Basically thinner items should be worn under thicker ones. This will enforce a limit on layering armor and also will make sure things like a comfort layer needing to be under the hard plating.

This also means that you might face issues wearing a non-armored jacket over your flak jacket to hide it. We know about this and are discussing what items can be an exception to the rule.

If you find anything that isn't layering correctly or making sense, blame Jinx and let him know.

[bWhat should I do to have them correct it?[/b]

Jinx said above:

tailored items will have a new command to set if they are able to be worn over armor

So if you ARE a tailor, you'll know when the time comes. If you're HIRING a tailor, just trust that they'll either be able to adjust your item or tell you it can't be done.

TAILORS:

Be realistic, according to the guidelines and realism Jinx described above. Don't just automatically make things work for both over and under armor. Since you can't actually make armor at all, almost everything you make or consider adjusting should probably be "only under", unless there's a really good reason for making it fit over thick, bully armor instead, or an even better reason for it to fit both ways.

I'll be adding colors to the existing armor in the future.

Also, TERRA agents should remove their armor if they haven't since this change was made to the uniform, to get the armor buffer, because you won't if it isn't showing the penalty to your stats in @stats.

Dress was supposed to be under the raincoat, but MOO was saying dress needed to be over the raincoat.

Your WCS overalls should really be worn underneath of the gray EcoGear thermal shirt.

Love,

Jinx

Sounds like it's working as expected. An item is always going to either show fully or not show at all. There's no support for hiding part of the description if part of the item is covered by another one. Not sure if that's what you meant by "showing fully".

So, if the thermal shows, it's because thermal covers some body area which the things worn over it do not cover. And if it's first, it's because whatever position that is is high up on the body. Does thermal cover @naked neck maybe? I bet coveralls don't. Some coats don't cover @naked chest. I bet thermal does.

Hope this helps. Doesn't sound buggy to me.

You wrote "I always thought the notion of armored "dresses" (and I think there are "skirts" too) was silly,"

As in they shouldn't exist & there should be only armored pants? Or silly in the way they look?

I'm curious because I can see women who wear skirts (Mix and Corp) have need for something armored for some sort of protection. It wouldn't be as good as pants of course but still would offer some protection. Female mobsters at a meeting, wanting to show off some leg and attitude but still have some semblance of protection or a corporate newscaster in front of the camera at a protest on the streets of Gold?

Armored skirts came before armored pants... And remember style over substance.

It is acceptable a loss of limb of a soldier during a war, that's why most armor since inception has a skirt of sorts to protect the groin and upper thighs due to the lethality of blows to that area.

But to reply to your points:

Those aren't womens' wear.

Armor has always been unisex, only exceptional cases where they have been made to high paying customers were them made "female"

Those aren't dresses and they're not skirts either.

All of the examples have groin/thighs coverage in a skirt way. Be it a chain mail with plate or the striped skirt of the roman armor.

You don't wear any of those without leg armor. Saying armored skirts "came before" might be relevant in a FeudalPunk setting, but I don't feel like it is in this one. Maybe you do.

Most of these were actually worn without leg armor under it. Romans wore sandals with grieves on the shins. Japanese used shin guards and sometimes a longer skirt that reached the knee, but with cotton pants under it.

Those designs are centuries old and aren't recapitulated in anything contemporary - NOT EVEN now that women are present in fighting, security and defense forces, which wasn't even true at all way back in the years when those pieces were in use. Show a modern one or a futuristic example if you're actually trying to be persuasive.

Current personal protection equipment consists mainly of bullet proof vests. Personal armor is usually only worn on the chest as it is where all vital organs are. You can get a lethal blow to your limbs but a tourniquet and amputation will prevent you from death. And "even now that women are present in fighting", they actually were in the past as well, they just wore the armor at hand. All armor is made unisex as it is to protect internal organs, not to look good.

The difference in Sindome is that we take "style over substance" and do the dresses and skirts because in the theme it makes sense for a line of armored clothing to cater to women's design desires, niche market and all that.

I understand you don't like, but saying it breaks immersion or is surreal is not correct since skirts as armor existed before any pants armor.

I see corsets, skirts and dresses there too :P

Are you really cold?

Working as intended.

Is this correct?

"Your mustard EcoGear softshell trenchcoat should really be worn underneath of the ProTek Proline

nanoweave shirt, neXus synth-hide codpiece and pair of ProTek Proline nanoweave pants."

As it seems wrong to me...

With it we're reducing some bloat from the moo by using branded jumpsuits under Corporation/Faction vests for Corpsec and allowing the players to use them as well.

The jumpsuits and bodysuits are a great step to the next armor that we're making. These will be "set" armor (where all items from the set form a whole armor), by design these are worn on top of these bodysuits/jumpsuits. Xo5 is a good example. But we'll break the bodysuit out of the set so players and NPCs have a choice to customize their protection.

In the near future the Xo5 environmental bodysuit will be replaced by one of several available bodysuits. Each will have a different focus. The new ones are more focused on damage type protection, but we have even stealth suits on the list of bodysuits.

This is another mechanic being introduced to the armor layering, not to make things harder, but to allow for players to chose how they want to be protected.

I realism re-re-rereading some of the posts above that some of this isnt new suggestions, but i thought I would raise them again since lots more work has been done and some of these are still unclear in my feeble mind.

Way to enforce the theme, pink kevlar... Well played.

Speaking of jumpsuits and kevlar and other upcoming things are there any anti-burned alive type suits planned? Maybe these exist ICly already but it seems like fire is a universal oh shit type of damage that armor does not save you from.

It sounds wrong, is it wrong? Thank you.

Yet it's price and penalty to agility would suggest otherwise.

Could you please confirm this? Thank you.

Would it be possible to put that link on the tailoring helpfile?

That's it. Simple.

Fixed.

So, its a matter of style over substance. I'm assuming that removing the "abdomen" part of the pants would take away from their effectiveness as armor? Asking for future reference because really...whatever. It was just something i noticed. I can always have a tailor make the clothes she wants. :-)