Clearly the system is too lenient as is if it's spawning the perception that @ooc is somehow too severe an IC detriment.
And since we now know that's a thing, we're asking that it NOT be a thing because it's clearly asking for trouble. Simple, right?
1. Knowing that someone is @ooc in a room and waiting there to see who returns is meta. If you saw them go @ooc from that location, it's one thing; but--
2. You shouldn't be going @ooc to escape ramifications to begin with. It should be used when you're already basically safe.
Like, you're in a bar, you have to go afk, so you go @ooc. Acceptable. If you're in a bar and someone's coming to kill you, going @ooc isn't really acceptable, it's trying to use a coded system to avoid other players.
In other words, if you're staking out someone's apartment stealthily and you want to go @ooc, go somewhere else to do it. Walk one room over. Anything but the most direst emergencies would give you time for that. But it's not a tool to stay safe in dangerous situations, it's a tool to stay safe when you're already safe, but need to be afk.
I don't think that there is a point to starting with that, because, let's say someone is being chased, targeted but the other does not know because person was stealthed and goes OOC because the doorbell rang or someone just broke into their very real real life house. They would not know and think they were safe and this is something that could be argued about, because is really, anywhere, truly safe in Red?
The issue I have with this entire conversation is, that a lot of claims are being put up and out there, concerns are raised, but the last info given, back on the Cityhall council, was that it was not being abused?
Hence why xhelp if it happens, because admins cannot work if there are only claims being made and no complaints filed.
Ooc isn't a free disappear from the scene card. It's there if you suddenly have an emergency or you're in a safe situation already and wanna get out of IC for a bit.
Think of it as going to catch the lev. You're in game, you've got to wait for it. There's no other way around getting out of Green as a Mixer but to wait. It definitely sucks because sometimes life takes precedent, but thems the breaks.
If you're stealthed somewhere you shouldn't be? It's the same sort of investment in time.
You're somewhere, you're caught up in things, and no amount of going @ooc is going to solve that.
Not to mention, removing that message will still have (One player is OOC here) still present in the room.
Why should you deny the person you're ninja'd up on the chance to search and spot you as well, when you could just hang out @ooc for five hours?
All of this talk against the notion is just ridiculouv and silly.
+1 to the idea
It is looking like your only purpose of posting on Bgbb is to argue and troll people.
I will play along for now.
You just wrote:
Yes, because the only time you use @ooc while hidden is to abuse it and circumvent IC consequences. Lol.
This is yet another example of you going back to the point you want to make. There have been nearly a dozen people who have told you that whatever your specific reason for going ooc is will never trump the potential abuses of the change that you suggested to enable your ooc edge case.
Then this gets even better with the way you turn it into a personal attack. And you've done that by playing the victim, and saying "But, but I would never exploit the system that way." ( that is the gist of what I just quoted from your previous post as part of this response I am writing to you)
But you didn't even stop there. You then went on to suggest that anyone who cannot be trusted to not exploit the system is somehow broken or otherwise morally deficient.
And to put the cherry on top of this fucked up cake that you've been icing with your bullshit and trying to make the rest of us eat, you go on to argue with anyone who suggests that they do not want to further a mechanic that could lead to abuse. Abuse that makes the game worse for everyone.
To sum it up for you. The argument you're putting forth is that you don't like the way the game currently works. You want to break the game so that it works for you. You don't care about all of the feedback you're getting from people telling you that breaking the game to make you happy is going to make their play experience worse.
For everyone else who has a read this far, my suggestion is that as a community we just start ignoring Marleen. They're showing a lot of damage psychological traits, the least of which is narcissism. Well I realize that the game is all about a dark and fucked up future. That's an in character reality. I don't think we need to cultivate relationships with people who are oocly dark and fucked up.
I'll be the first one and start by showing myself out of this thread, then summing up the willpower to avoid the low speed train wreck that every single one of this person's post seems to turn into. Your mileage may vary.
Just goes on to prove how unreceptive you are to anything that doesn't agree with you. You're no longer contributing, and it's clear none of this is getting through to you, or that you simply don't care because it's not what you want.
We are adults here, maybe some people should start acting like them and listen to valid, coherent criticisms of bad ideas.
If you agree +1 it and expand on how you think the suggestion could be improved.
This is an Idea's thread, not an 'argue for the winning point' thread to see who's the biggest twat thread.
Stop being a dick to each other, give feedback on the idea and move on with your life. Stop trying to grow your e-peen with some cool comeback.
I'm not sure why you thought it was okay to post something like that the first time around, much less the second. As someone who's faced rather harsh repercussions in the past for being a shitbird to others in the community -- take stock.
To the shitbirds in OOC-Chat yesterday trashing people in the thread by name who couldn't even be bothered to post much in the actual thread other than snide trolling, we have a memes thread for you to live in, please stay there if you can't grow up. I don't know if staff just weren't around at the time or just don't care that much but this game doesn't need an OOC-Chat and you're why.
If someone posts something you don't like, and the community responds overwhelmingly negatively, and you find yourself unable to respond without dogpiling in a shitbird way to score points with your IC/OOC coterie, you're sad.
However, I have never seen @ooc abused in any way literally ever. So I don't think anyone needs to worry. We get a message on admin side Everytime someone uses the command.