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This is very hard for me to write, because the surrounding circumstances of it are pretty sad.
Simply written, I'm too sad to play Sindome now and need to retire from it.
I used to be someone who had gotten a foothold on dealing with loss (a good friend of mine died years before I registered here), but unfortunately this sort of grief is back again (those same feelings brought up again in losing players I ooc'ly considered friends). I'm not dealing with it very well and to prevent any further re-vamping of this, I have to go.
I'm going to be retiring to casual games to chill out.
Thank you for having me. This place is wonderful. My recommendation will stay, I hope new blood arrives to join and stay in my wake.
Good luck guys, you'll probably see me around on Gossip in a social mud chilling under a tree somewhere. I'll stay respectful of the TOS when I'm there, and I hope you will too.
I love y'all!
By Supermarket at May 19, 2019, 4:13 PM
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I can understand how tough that can be, hopefully someday we will see you again, especially as someone so active in the community. Take care.
By Varolokkur at May 19, 2019, 4:19 PM
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I'll really miss you, Supermarket. I wish we'd gotten to play more (or at all, really). You're an amazing artist both IC and OOC and I hope you'll leave the door open to coming back someday.
Feel better soon!
By Crooknose at May 19, 2019, 4:19 PM
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Hey, good luck. I'll miss your enthusiasm, your artwork and your personality.
By ExMachinae at May 19, 2019, 4:20 PM
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BAKALAKA
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I hope you find the solace you deserve.
You've always got a home here. A horrible, terrible rat-infested home.
By HolyChrome at May 19, 2019, 4:21 PM
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Life is rarely kind, but I hope you are able to find what you need and come to terms with things in a manner you find suitable. Good luck.
By Bogrin at May 19, 2019, 4:22 PM
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By villa at May 19, 2019, 4:22 PM
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It was great playing with you. I hope that you find what you're looking for, or feel better enough to one day come back.
By Trakel at May 19, 2019, 4:23 PM
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WAGE SLAVE
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You'll be missed! Take care and I hope all goes well.
By Jade1202 at May 19, 2019, 4:25 PM
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BAKALAKA
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Hope things turn around for you, walk safe out there and hopefully see you again some day!
By JMo at May 19, 2019, 5:34 PM
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By Beepboop at May 19, 2019, 5:36 PM
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Fuck, now I feel bad for not really seeing anybody here as my friend. Kind of a "professional distance" thing for me. But different strokes for different folks I suppose.
By Cinder at May 19, 2019, 6:11 PM
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It's been grand, Supermarket! I hope things go better for you.
By ynk at May 20, 2019, 2:00 PM
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I got super sad when some characters I knew left on vacation, so I can understand that bleed.
You get really invested in a game like this. And I hope eventually when the grief has settled, you'll come back. Until that day. Be amazing, be awesome, be you.
By RheaGhe at May 20, 2019, 2:24 PM
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It was great playing with you, and enjoying your art and your jokes, girl. You'll be missed.
Catch you around.
By Kuzco at May 20, 2019, 8:40 PM
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Sindome really is a strange one, a game, a community, friends, fake colleagues who you can enjoy more than the real ones. In the end, it is still a game. Sometimes you just have to put it down. I hope you are able to raise your spirits! Try to find some joy in the little things.
By mindkontrol at May 20, 2019, 8:44 PM
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I kinda know where you are coming from. I've dealt with grief and during my early twenties, I had a total breakdown of myself that I had to piece myself together to start over.
A lot of the events that happen IC and people dying/retiring for IC/OOC reasons are, for the lack of a better word, depressing, and frankly, I've had moments where I doubt if this is good for me or not. But at the end of the day, I'm just realizing just how much stronger and more resilient I have become since facing these events again.
I hope you come back. Because just like me, I know you've become stronger. Because many are stronger in the broken places.
By Lionion at May 21, 2019, 4:55 AM
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Good on you for recognizing your feelings and addressing them in a healthy manner.
I hope that you find the happiness and peace of mind that is currently eluding you.
By Hek at May 21, 2019, 2:47 PM
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By Rangerkrauser at May 22, 2019, 3:42 AM
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I enjoyed RPing with you; I hope things get better for you soon. You'll always have a home here in Withmore!
By svetlana at May 22, 2019, 10:33 PM
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By Warlord203 at May 23, 2019, 2:11 AM
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Now that I've left, I asked whether I wanted to state the
real reason I left or not. At first I put this just to part on good terms. After thinking it over, I realize what happened is something that can happen to someone else. So let's clear this up:
The reason I parted ways from here is because someone did some secondhand puppeting of a character, turning a story that had been built over a year and did a D&D on it. In other words, things that were true were flipped around, and then that person also reinforced this fact with an angel to try and meta my character into believing the new storyline.
I found this highkey disrespectful and lost all respect in that instant. There was no enjoyment when I logged in anymore after that, and there was no way to reach out to the original storyline author to tell them what was done. So the only choice was the walk away.
By Supermarket at May 28, 2019, 6:46 PM
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I'm really sorry that happened to you. When the hand of manipulation is obvious it can be a massive turn-off for the exact reasons you stated: you felt like you were part of something that was handled in a way untrue to the situation.
I can totally see why you were so upset. It's a really awkward thing to xhelp about, too, because it amounts to calling out the situation and that's a bit anxiety inducing. I'm sure it's not too late to xhelp about it and discuss your disappointment. I seriously doubt the staff meant to trample all over your sensibilities.
I've been in similar situations where characters I was close to seemed like they were being puppeted by different people and it's always a bit jarring, doubly so when it's integral to your own RP.
By Crooknose at May 28, 2019, 6:57 PM
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I find it highkey disrespectful you'd initially try and successfully garner sympathies from the playerbase that reached out to you with condolences over feelings from the passing of a friend when the real reason was because you didn't like how a plot went.
By HolyChrome at May 28, 2019, 6:58 PM
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I was writing something similar, HolyChrome. But I got beat.
That's not cool at all.
Not all goodbyes need to be posted. Hell, you could've just used your last post first.
You could've written to Slither or another senior staff member and expressed your frustrations, your concerns and asked if the situation could be resolved in a different way.
Instead you used the death of a friend and how you felt then to how you felt now losing players you considered OOC friends. I don't even know.
By crashdown at May 28, 2019, 7:01 PM
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I may not have been around for a long time, but Supermarket has, and in general I like to try to give others here the benefit of the doubt.
I don't believe Supermarket was trying to garner sympathy or some other kind of manipulation. I don't think Supermarket's intention was insidious, or malicious.
From what I can see, what Supermarket did was careless, and didn't take into account others when making their initial post.
Some people put a LOT of investment into this game, and whenever there are moments are details of plots are arbitrarily changed via fiat to something that wasn't there before at all, I can see how that can create a sense of deep betrayal.
I don't know if that's what happened, but I also don't want to reduce Supermarket's grievance down to "Didn't like how the plot went."
This is a mess, and I can see why people feel hurt by Supermarket's approach to this.
I know Supermarket has stated they no longer intend to play, but there are people who really deserve an apology over this, so we can move on.
By armingo at May 28, 2019, 7:15 PM
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I think if you had expressed the real reason, it might have served some purpose, rather than lying about it.
But I guess that cyberpunk-esque manipulation extends to the BGBB.
By ExMachinae at May 28, 2019, 7:19 PM
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Or maybe I just didn't think at the time it was worth bringing up.
Try to not insult me at least in admitting this. I'm a real person, not a citizen of Withmore.
By Supermarket at May 28, 2019, 7:21 PM
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By Grizzly666 at May 28, 2019, 7:24 PM
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I'm not getting the tidal shift from empathy to accusation because she was embarrassed by her own emotional investment in the game and trying to sugar coat how she felt. She's upset. We're all human beings.
By Crooknose at May 28, 2019, 7:31 PM
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Some of the replies here show how quickly people turn on others when they feel betrayed. How people don't always think things out when they're in a highly emotional state as a result of something that really felt
wrong and hurtful.
I hope everyone involved takes the time to examine this situation, and how people reacted for the sake of better developing, like. Empathy.
By armingo at May 28, 2019, 7:32 PM
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I personally didn't read any ill-intent or maliciousness in Supermarket's farewell at all; more an explanation of why she might struggle with some situations more than others.
Good luck, Supermarket. I hope we'll see you back one day.
By Adea at May 28, 2019, 7:32 PM
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Oh, I do see what some are upset over. Let me clarify: YES I did get grief triggered over that, but it was NOT the reason I called it quits. Yes it was something I was going through. But I was angry when I left and didn't feel I could bring up the reason why. So I only told
part of the truth. I left the real reason out because I didn't want to get dogpiled and tut-tutted over bleed about it.
I hope that clears this up. No, I would never use the death of someone to garner sympathy. That's disgusting.
By Supermarket at May 28, 2019, 7:36 PM
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I'm sorry to those who deserved the whole truth of the situation, instead of me telling part of it and then leaving. I can see how that comes off. But please also understand why I did that, too. Thanks to those who saw through the situation and could see where I was coming from and why.
At least it's out there now. And I hope whoever did that puppeting never pulls that shit on anyone else again.
By Supermarket at May 28, 2019, 7:50 PM
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Drawing a line between losses to illustrate your feelings is entirely appropriate, I don't see how you could reasonably be held to fault for that. This sounds like it was a deeply disillusioning experience for you, and I don't doubt I would feel similarly. All the best to you.
By 0x1mm at May 28, 2019, 8:24 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that the RP impacted you in such a negative way Supermarket. I'd like to provide some context on what I think you are referring to and I hope I can do so in a way that makes things clear for you.
NPCs are characters too. And characters lie. Sometimes characters will tell one person one thing to get what they want from them but others something else. This was happening with your character. Character X was telling your character what they wanted to hear so your character would do what character X wanted. But they told most every other character, including character Y, another story entirely.
This was purely an IC thing and the puppeting was done based on the guidance provided by the GM puppeting character X - who started that RP thread. When another GM picked up character Y they had character Y react to your character as they should have given what they were being told by character X.
There was no slip up. There was no flipping of the script or reversing of past RP. You were simply ICly presented with another side of the IC story - one that clearly caught you by surprise (as intended) and that turned the previously sweet taste your character was enjoying bitter (also as intended).
Also, it just so happens that character Y is in a position of considerable power. So much so that there are VERY few people that they worry about or who can pull rank on them. So they tend to be direct and don't pull punches. They call things as they see them. As they did with your character. The GM was playing character Y as they are meant to be played.
I hope this clarifies the situation for you. I would have preferred to have the chance to have this conversation with you in an interactive way over xhelp so I could be sure that all of your concerns were addressed and so I didn't have to obfuscate things so much. If you ever decide you want to talk this over, just sign in and reach out to me. I wish you the best of luck. :-)
By Mobius at May 29, 2019, 12:12 AM
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I'm the GM in question and I can't really do much to defend myself or respond on here without revealing too much IC info and/or looking like an asshole, so I won't.
I will say I was acting in good faith based on the information the GM's had been provided and I did not mean to ruin the game for you the way I ended up doing.
You're a good player and it sucks to see you go. Take care.
By Storm at May 29, 2019, 1:09 AM
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Yeaaah that's something I tried to avoid and that person knew it. Great! Thanks y'all!
By Supermarket at May 29, 2019, 2:24 AM
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For everyone reading this, and anyone who might not already be aware of it, refer to
help bleed
In Game.
I bring this up because I've been playing here less than a year, and considerably less time than Supermarket and some of the other players mentioned in this thread.
Despite that, I already permed out one character over Emotional Bleed. And I did that after only playing for about a month.
This game creates powerful emotions. When something major happens to your character, it is very easy to take it personally. It is very easy to get personally upset IRL. It is so easy and so natural to do, that there is a help file about it
help bleed
Read it. Think about it.
When something major happens to your character, it's a very good idea to take a couple of days off. Step away from the computer. Log out of the MOO.
Taken straight from the help file…
"CAUTION
In most cases, bleed is inevitable. Informational and and Emotional bleed. The important thing is to handle it gracefully and try to minimize it. ... And if IC events are making you feel upset, sad or angry OOCly, take a step back. Log off and go for a walk. Play a different game for a while. Then come back when you are ready."
By Hek at May 29, 2019, 11:18 AM
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Mfw

By Stiza13 at May 29, 2019, 11:28 AM
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Hek, with all due respect,
sit down. That's not all there is to this. I knew someone was going to come in here and do this crap. No, my friends, there is still more to the situation.
Based on what I know now, I only have one more request to make.
I can draw the conclusion based on how everything went, that the person in question started this storyline with not only myself but one other person, we were part of a faction, and then they walked away without any intent to interact with us at all. There was definitely some OOC knowledge that they were going to do things this way, and that's what the issue is. There was some deception on part of the author.
Please reach the other person and either resolve this with them or free them of the situation. Don't leave them in the mess that the original author now has zero intent to clean up.
By Supermarket at May 29, 2019, 12:38 PM
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You can be lied to IC and there's nothing really to sort out and clean up. People in SD will screw you over, nobody's obligated to 'make it right' because things didn't turn out how you wanted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm sorry if this sounds flippant, but this comes off a little bizarre.
By Kiwi at May 29, 2019, 12:46 PM
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As with any plot…

By HolyChrome at May 29, 2019, 12:47 PM
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…guys, really?
Nevermind. You're still looking at me as a game character instead of an author. I realized this yesterday.
Jesus, fuck this place. I'm so disgusted.
By Supermarket at May 29, 2019, 12:48 PM
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By Brozilla at May 29, 2019, 12:49 PM
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you know xhelp is a thing right? carrying on with all these demands on the bgbb isn't really gonna do anything for you
By Roycethe59 at May 29, 2019, 12:49 PM
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"Instead of as an author"
I'm really really saying this with no barbs attached, but you really overestimating your agency in the game and how things go.
By HolyChrome at May 29, 2019, 12:50 PM
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You clearly view yourself as more than another player for some reason.
By Stiza13 at May 29, 2019, 1:03 PM
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Sucks that things went down that way. I've endured inconsistencies between GMs puppeting the same NPCs in the past. They are human, this happens, I wrote Slither and we resolved it.
Still, I know I'll miss you.
By Kuzco at May 29, 2019, 1:05 PM
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hey supes,
been in your spot and I felt exactly like you did. just xhelp or mail slither though, the bgbb thread isn't gonna do much.
hope you at least resolve it and find peace.
By Rangerkrauser at May 29, 2019, 1:05 PM
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Let me get this straight. A plot didn't work out the way you thought it was going to, and you came to BgBB to cry about it.
People offer you (specifically) sympathy and guidance to other players (generally) who might find themselves in a similar situation.
Your response to tell people to STFU and go "fix" things in the way you think they should be fixed.
Yeah, I'd like to say that I'm sad to see you go… but I'd be lying.
You're airing IC grievances in an OOC forum, and then being an unpleasant person on top of it. I fail to see the loss to the community here.
By Hek at May 29, 2019, 1:19 PM
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